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Not Face Masks Again , I Hear You Say
Oh yes -:face masks again
I see that from today that the item in question is mandatory to be worn in almost all places
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I see that from today that the item in question is mandatory to be worn in almost all places
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The mask will protect you, as well as protecting others.
Two people wearing face coverings, one with covid, the other germ free.
Cloth in front of the mouth and nose reduces the range of the covid sufferer from expelling the germ. A cloth in front of the mouth and nose of the non sufferer reduces them breathing it in. The virus has to get through 2 barriers for it to spread. Not impossible, but common sense says it will reduce (But not totally protect) the liklihood of transmission.
Two people wearing face coverings, one with covid, the other germ free.
Cloth in front of the mouth and nose reduces the range of the covid sufferer from expelling the germ. A cloth in front of the mouth and nose of the non sufferer reduces them breathing it in. The virus has to get through 2 barriers for it to spread. Not impossible, but common sense says it will reduce (But not totally protect) the liklihood of transmission.
//i'd rather wear a mask/face covering than be ill. with a choice between the two I know what I'll be doing. I know they don't completely obliterate the chances of catching the virus but they help to lessen the chances so that has got to be good.//
No it doesn’t completely obliterate the chances of catching the virus, lady j. It does nothing to reduce those chances at all. The benefit of wearing a face covering is solely for those around you. And even that’s a bit dubious.
// The exemption list is very dubious. Only those with a diagnosed condition should be exempt. It would be a simple matter to contact the GP and request a certificate of sorts. If it costs a couple of quid it is cheaper than a mask/face covering.//
It wouldn’t be a simple matter at all. GPs have said that they will not expect to provide certificates for exemption (or more properly, a “reasonable excuse”. Here’s the notice on the matter on my GP’s website:
“General practice is under considerable pressure as a direct result of the current challenges they are faced with delivering a service to patients at the same time as coping with the consequences of this virus.
There is no requirement for general practice to issue letters for patients who are unable to wear face coverings, as the Government have clearly defined the exemptions to this requirement.
General practice needs to focus all its time and effort managing those who need their help and not be diverted from this by unnecessary tasks.”
More than that, of the list of reasonable excuses provided in the legislation (which is not an exhaustive list) only two are related to something that a doctor could certify.
I've mentioned at length why I will not wear one and it's associated with the additional risk to the wearer. Few people outside the medical profession seem concerned about that but I am.
No it doesn’t completely obliterate the chances of catching the virus, lady j. It does nothing to reduce those chances at all. The benefit of wearing a face covering is solely for those around you. And even that’s a bit dubious.
// The exemption list is very dubious. Only those with a diagnosed condition should be exempt. It would be a simple matter to contact the GP and request a certificate of sorts. If it costs a couple of quid it is cheaper than a mask/face covering.//
It wouldn’t be a simple matter at all. GPs have said that they will not expect to provide certificates for exemption (or more properly, a “reasonable excuse”. Here’s the notice on the matter on my GP’s website:
“General practice is under considerable pressure as a direct result of the current challenges they are faced with delivering a service to patients at the same time as coping with the consequences of this virus.
There is no requirement for general practice to issue letters for patients who are unable to wear face coverings, as the Government have clearly defined the exemptions to this requirement.
General practice needs to focus all its time and effort managing those who need their help and not be diverted from this by unnecessary tasks.”
More than that, of the list of reasonable excuses provided in the legislation (which is not an exhaustive list) only two are related to something that a doctor could certify.
I've mentioned at length why I will not wear one and it's associated with the additional risk to the wearer. Few people outside the medical profession seem concerned about that but I am.
Plastic visors don't cut the mustard JD, they are open at the bottom. This has been referred to WHO by the Swizz but I haven't read any outcome.
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//she said there was no need as she was already wearing a plastic visor. //
visors have been ruled offside.
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visors have been ruled offside.
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//NJ I'll try and find the list I saw and post it later. I do remember severe COPD was definitely on it and asthma I think.//
I'll save you the time and trouble, lb. There is no such list. What the legislation says is this:
"3(1). No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering."
It then goes on to explain about a "reasonable excuse":
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4(1). For the purposes of regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where—
(a)P cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010(1)), or.....
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It then goes on to list a number of other examples of "reasonable excuses", most of which are not medically related at all. There is no definitive list of diseases or ailments. The only mention of illness is the paragraph above. I don't know what list it is that you are referring to.
I'll save you the time and trouble, lb. There is no such list. What the legislation says is this:
"3(1). No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering."
It then goes on to explain about a "reasonable excuse":
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4(1). For the purposes of regulation 3(1), the circumstances in which a person (“P”) has a reasonable excuse include those where—
(a)P cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering—
(i)because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability (within the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act 2010(1)), or.....
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It then goes on to list a number of other examples of "reasonable excuses", most of which are not medically related at all. There is no definitive list of diseases or ailments. The only mention of illness is the paragraph above. I don't know what list it is that you are referring to.
"I've mentioned at length why I will not wear one and it's associated with the additional risk to the wearer. Few people outside the medical profession seem concerned about that but I am."
I have mentioned this many times over the last few months but always get shouted down by the COVID worshippers. It is a mazing how blinkered people have become.
I have mentioned this many times over the last few months but always get shouted down by the COVID worshippers. It is a mazing how blinkered people have become.
The is the best I can do NJ. I am in the "extremely medically vulnerable" category listed here on the NHS website.
// People at high risk (clinically extremely vulnerable)
People at high risk from coronavirus include people who:
have had an organ transplant
are having chemotherapy or antibody treatment for cancer, including immunotherapy
are having an intense course of radiotherapy (radical radiotherapy) for lung cancer
are having targeted cancer treatments that can affect the immune system (such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors)
have blood or bone marrow cancer (such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma)
have had a bone marrow or stem cell transplant in the past 6 months, or are still taking immunosuppressant medicine
have been told by a doctor they have a severe lung condition (such as cystic fibrosis, severe asthma or severe COPD)
have a condition that means they have a very high risk of getting infections (such as SCID or sickle cell)
are taking medicine that makes them much more likely to get infections (such as high doses of steroids or immunosuppressant medicine)
have a serious heart condition and are pregnant
Which means according to the government, in England you are exempt from face masks if, among other things:
* not being able to put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
* if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress \\
Both of those instances apply to me as I struggle to breathe even without a mask. But I will try to comply with the rules when I go out.
// People at high risk (clinically extremely vulnerable)
People at high risk from coronavirus include people who:
have had an organ transplant
are having chemotherapy or antibody treatment for cancer, including immunotherapy
are having an intense course of radiotherapy (radical radiotherapy) for lung cancer
are having targeted cancer treatments that can affect the immune system (such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors)
have blood or bone marrow cancer (such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma)
have had a bone marrow or stem cell transplant in the past 6 months, or are still taking immunosuppressant medicine
have been told by a doctor they have a severe lung condition (such as cystic fibrosis, severe asthma or severe COPD)
have a condition that means they have a very high risk of getting infections (such as SCID or sickle cell)
are taking medicine that makes them much more likely to get infections (such as high doses of steroids or immunosuppressant medicine)
have a serious heart condition and are pregnant
Which means according to the government, in England you are exempt from face masks if, among other things:
* not being able to put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
* if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress \\
Both of those instances apply to me as I struggle to breathe even without a mask. But I will try to comply with the rules when I go out.
//Both of those instances apply to me as I struggle to breathe even without a mask.//
Then you have a "reasonable excuse". You don't need to have a specific disease or carry around proof that you have it.
// But I will try to comply with the rules when I go out.
You will be complying with the rules if you don't wear one. I've posted the legislation for you. Why would you want to make it difficult or potentially even dangerous for yourself?
Then you have a "reasonable excuse". You don't need to have a specific disease or carry around proof that you have it.
// But I will try to comply with the rules when I go out.
You will be complying with the rules if you don't wear one. I've posted the legislation for you. Why would you want to make it difficult or potentially even dangerous for yourself?
They still dont protect the wearer. Gromits post is misleading at best.
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The chances of passing the virus on or catching it while fleetingly passing somebody in a supermarket is ridiculously small, so I simply don't 'get' why it's necessary to wear one.
Notwithstanding the above, I wear one simply to avoid getting into a row with some idiot who has been brainwashed into thinking a muzzle is a panacea.
I just know it would happen, and I can't be arsed with the aggro.
Notwithstanding the above, I wear one simply to avoid getting into a row with some idiot who has been brainwashed into thinking a muzzle is a panacea.
I just know it would happen, and I can't be arsed with the aggro.
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