55,000 New Coronavirus Cases In Usa Today

[Gromit]

Have the Yanks lost control?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/03/coronavirus-us-daily-case-increase-fauci-trump

[jno]

Mozz, that doesn't alter my point about quick action. But if you want a closer comparator, try Japan. About 150,000 sq m, population 125m, density 850 per sq m; UK about 95,000 sq m, population 65m, density 725. per sq m.

In other words, another first world island nation, area about 50% bigger than the UK, population nearly 100% bigger. They didn't have a full lockdown, and it varied locally, but there was a state of emergency in Tokyo from April 7 to May 25. I think the deaths per million is the fairest statistic, as it reflects just how much people have to fear.

And the Covid stats: UK 650 deaths per million, fourth highest in the world. Japan eight deaths per million, 116th in the world.

I think that's as fair a national comparison as we'll get; but the gap is vast. We've had, proportionately, 80 times as many deaths.

[AZardoz]

I guess I should have put my answer about the sheep in Jokes.
Plenty of mention there, quite racist actually, but not removed.

[ToraToraTora]

doug: "I'm no expert but it's not 'under control' anywhere.
It's in a temporary state of stasis due to unsustainable conditions imposed by some governments. " - crikey doug, you can do it! Bang on!

[ToraToraTora]

jno: "but in essence: Peru isn't a first world country. Britain is. " - wow that must have hurt!

[fiction-factory]

>It helps that they're an island nation; but so is Britain.
New Zealand has tackled this really well but we are comparing two totally different countries. UK is an island nation but it's only 20 odd miles from the continent , only a few hours away by plane from most of Europe and only 6 hours from New York, and London is a major hub. New Zealand is a very remote island, about 3.5 hours away by flight from Australia and has far fewer visitors than UK. It's also sparsely populated.
Still, they were decisive and we can learn from them

[Gromit]

The graph of daily new cases is showing a sharp rise recently.

https://xtb.scdn5.secure.raxcdn.com/postContentImage/0101/87/003f541fcb037f6e2796888d034039b1faedebb7.jpeg

Presumably that will translate in a rise of daily deaths over the next fortnight. The US eased lockdown too early about 3 weeks ago. I hope we don’t see another rise after this weekends easing of lockdown.

[tamborine]

https://youtu.be/d7riL6IXi5o

[Gromit]

tamborine

Unfortunately that is 4 months out of date.

[Deskdiary]

People keep on whining about the UK not going into lockdown early enough, but we didn’t do so on the advice of the scientific experts.

People would have us believe it was wrong to follow the advice of the experts.

In any other area of life, we look to experts to guide us, but when the Govt do exactly that, they are deemed incompetent.

They can’t win what ever they do with some people.

[ichkeria]

Much of the valid argument about Britain being much more susceptible to a mass outbreak than say N Zealand at the same time tends to reinforce my feeling that we’d have been hit hard no matter what. Certainly i feel other retires might be at least as much to blame: the care homes fiasco for example

[ichkeria]

I tend to agree with you Desk.
I hate this govt for Brexit but I don’t share a lot of the post-Brexit bitterness which basically has Johnson and co hoisted from lampposts for breathing

[Gromit]

Deashdiary,
You have a point, but the scientists provide evidence, the Government decide policy. For instance, at the end of February we could see what was happening in Italy and Spain, but the Government were pursuing Herd Immunity and did nothing. It was only in mid March when the scientists number-crunched and predicted 150,000 deaths, that the Government changed policy. Those early 2-3 weeks of inaction is where it went wrong for the UK.
Not protecting Care Homes, late testing and inadequate tracing have also contributed.

[ichkeria]

The government were NOT pursuing herd immunity!
This idea came about because at one of the briefings one of the scientists pointed reasonably that in principle we want people to get the virus as in the long term it will build up immunity in the community. Which is almost certainly the case. We also need the virus still to be out there in order to test any vaccines effectively

[Peter Pedant]

// stasis due to unsustainable conditions imposed by some governments. " - crikey doug, you can do it! Bang on!//

great ! lets all shrug our shoulders, sigh and do nothing ( again )

[jno]

ff, see my second post, comparing Britain with Japan, for those who think New Zealand is too remote to be comparable.

[jno]

TTT, Peru is a third world country with a death per million rate half that of the first world country where I live. I'm guessing it will grow more quickly than here, but it may be quite a while before it overtakes us and we can say "But we're doing better than Peru!"

[cassa333]

The increase could simply be because they are testing MORE people.

Just to balance the narrative you understand lol

Test more and you find more. But the positive results are tending to be in younger people and the death rate has flattened and in many instances reduced.

Again just to balance the narrative you understand lol