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Hard work, v_e. As I said, soul destroying.
That's my advice to Naomi and Maisie. (I assume neither of you are psychiatrists0
//Hard work, v_e. As I said, soul destroying.//

Don't throw good money after bad. Nor pearls before swine.
vetuste - // I can understand specific circumstances (and institutions) in which rational people might engage fantasists and try to separate them from their illusions and reconnect them to the real world.

But AB is not such a case, and I can't understand why anybody would even try. //

That really depends on who you think that 'fantasists' and the rational people are, doesn't it.
naomi - // Hard work, v_e. As I said, soul destroying. //

Hard work? Feel free to drop the burden any time, no-one have it to you to carry in the first place, your 'hard work' is entirely self-inflicted!

vetuste - // Nor pearls before swine. //

You;d need to point out who you think the 'swine' are - but please be careful.
V_e, Your advice, whilst tempting to accept, engenders something of a moral dilemma. Is it ethical to allow misinformation to remain unchallenged, and hence potentially negatively influential to readers whose naivety, or ignorance, equals that of the speaker?

One to sleep on I think.
/Is it ethical to allow misinformation to remain unchallenged, and hence potentially negatively influential to readers whose naivety, or ignorance, equals that of the speaker? //

No. But a person who claims that the rapists were not mainly Muslim men is in the same territory has holocaust denial. And there's a more distant territory occupied by people who think they're Napoleon.

I rather think that you should debate the holocaust denier (or the "nothing to do with Islam" idiot). As in what are the facts and where does the truth lie? This won't necessarily convince your protagonist, but it may win over the audience. As in a recent reconstruction of the David Irving trial. Which I think is your point, Naomi.

Irving was a highly intelligent man who argued his case and didn't deny obvious facts, only put a false spin on them: gas chambers? No, no, the nice Nazis were delousing them.

I don't think you should be "debating" with Napoleon, although I think he should be treated kindly and with compassion.
Are you suggesting we all give Napoleon the Elba ?
No, I think he should go to Helena bucket.
:-)
//This sort of argument crops up regularly when a thread loses its way and meanders down the 'all Muslim men are rapists and / or terrorists' route.
//

If this were the case, as a woman, what incentive would I have to engage in conversation with any Muslim man?
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/// These men act they way they do because they are unbalanced mentally damaged horrible degenerates, not because they are Muslims. ///

Perhaps then the question should be asked why are these 'unbalanced mentally damaged horrible degenerates', mainly Muslim, could it be anything to do with interbreeding?
//This sort of argument crops up regularly when a thread loses its way and meanders down the 'all Muslim men are rapists and / or terrorists' route. //

The author of that is the only poster saying it.
/// These men act they way they do because they are unbalanced mentally damaged horrible degenerates, not because they are Muslims. ///

Not because they are Muslims? And the common factor is….what?

An awful lot of "unbalanced mentally damaged horrible degenerates" within that culture.
vetuste - // No. But a person who claims that the rapists were not mainly Muslim men is in the same territory has holocaust denial. //

Who has made this claim - do you have a link?
naomi - // An awful lot of "unbalanced mentally damaged horrible degenerates" within that culture. //

An awful lot of said degenerates whose activities are sufficiently high-profile that they lend themselves to a distorted picture that allows the media to encourage a spurious link between Islam and abuse.

I do not for one moment deny that the majority of these men are nominally Muslim, but the inference that such behaviour is an inbuilt aspect of the faith system is, in my view, inaccurate.
More job creation from the flounderer in chief. ^^
naomi - // V_e, Your advice, whilst tempting to accept, engenders something of a moral dilemma. Is it ethical to allow misinformation to remain unchallenged, and hence potentially negatively influential to readers whose naivety, or ignorance, equals that of the speaker? //

Congratulations - I think!

In approaching twenty years of activity on this site, that is far and away the most stratospherically arrogant and pompous statement I have ever read - and there has been some competition!

Do you really think you are the sole arbiter of factual information, and it falls to you, and you alone, to wrestle with the 'moral dilemma' - seriously? - of allowing something which you regard as incorrect, to be left unchallenged, lest it be taken on board by the more stupid AB'er's as facts?

You have a history of being unable to read something someone has posted and differentiate between what is offered as opinion, and what is offered as fact - which is unsurprising, since your own posts often fail in such a separation, with opinions offered as unassailable facts, all built on the bedrock of your 'studies' for which we have only your word.

People are as entitled as you to offer their views, and opinions, and not to have them loftily dismissed, and insulted as not passing your own inflicted tests of suitability, and of course your hand-wringing 'ethical dilemma' about whether to allow people to be influenced by something which you judge not to be suitable for their delicate eyes and minds.

This is a debate site, you contribute along with everyone else.

No-one has appointed you moral arbiter of what is suitable or factual, you have taken the role upon yourself and exercise it with school-marm'ish superiority in your tone and responses - I for one will be ignoring your unfounded sense of worth in the future - and I suspect I will not be alone.
douglas - // More job creation from the flounderer in chief. ^^ //

i have no idea what that means.

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