Alabama Passes Bill Banning Abortion

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795

How awful.

[pixie374]

The "religious" part is largely irrelevant, because anyone who doesn't agree with it, won't have one and won't be forced into having one.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Pixie's post has just confirmed my pessimism about the number of people who might consider [i]possibl[ valid objections to the current heartless orthodoxy.

But the phrase "life-support machine for another person" deserves an award of some sort, Pixie, for its cheapening of motherhood.

[pixie374]

You are being irrational, ve. That is literally what pregnant mother does. Usually, out of choice.

[vetuste_ennemi]

But at least the post acknowledges that what is being "supported" - obviously under extreme duress, what these women have to go through - is in fact a person.

[pixie374]

Not quite, ve.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I think we disagree, then, Pixie, on the definition of "person".

I don't have a religious angle. Don't believe in the "soul". Don't believe that a fertilised egg turns into a sentient human being in ten minutes, but am pretty sure (without being an embryologist) that what's in the womb after six months is a human being which has a nervous system, not a "thing" to be discarded if the burden of "support" becomes inconvenient.

[pixie374]

After six months? Absolutely...

[pixie374]

But the thread is about 6 weeks... when a heartbeat can be detected...

[vetuste_ennemi]

Another example of the slippery-slopism associated with these liberal causes, the advocacy for which is nearly perfectly parodied (only he doesn't mean it that way) in Jim's "only in very extreme" and "with deep regret" and ""safeguards to avoid abuse" (I lie: he didn't use that last phrase).

I supported then, and support now, the decriminalisation of homosexuality in the sixties and the David Steel campaign to liberalise abortion legislation. But, not satisfied with their victory, the gay crowd has now punished its former oppressors by criminalising the assertion in public by followers of some religions, though not all, that homosexuality is a sin. While abortion has "progessed" from being illegal, to being legally allowable to (in many cases) the preferred method of contraception.

[pixie374]

There is no "slippery slope". Laws are very clear- often to a degree where common sense doesn't come into it. Changing a law is not a quick, straightforward process and should never be used as an excuse.

[ummmm]

It's not a method of contraception, I get so sick of hearing that bull!

[vetuste_ennemi]

//It's not a method of contraception, I get so sick of hearing that bull!/

Under what normal circumstance would a person need an abortion given the availability of cheap and effective contraception.

PS: that's a rhetorical question because the possibilities of getting an intelligent response are, as they say, "vanishingly small".

[ummmm]

Free contraception!

Like I said earlier though, people make mistakes.

I don't know what the US rules on abortion are but in the UK you have to convince two doctors of why you want the procedure. They can decline, as happened to someone I know.

[vetuste_ennemi]

One half of my prediction has turned out false: I did get a response.

[ummmm]

Don't be rude, no need!

[vetuste_ennemi]

"I get so sick of hearing that bull!".

Is that an example of courtesy, Ummm?

[cassa333]

This is interesting.

Late term abortions from the pro life propaganda is few and exceptional is in fact not true.

Have a look at this

This is another one regarding abortion and rape and abuse victims, often underage.

https://www.facebook.com/MattWalshBlog/videos/2371541013118164/?notif_id=1558022513285447&notif_t=live_video_share

[cassa333]

And another very good blog from a pro life activist that used to run a planned parenthood clinic.

[ummmm]

It's trotted out all the time, ve, that comment is to everyone who says it.

I don't agree with late term termination unless it's for medical reasons. I even think the UKs termination limit is too high (maybe with the exception of teenagers or rape victims)

Most consenting adults know they could be pregnant very early on.

[jim360]

// Under what normal circumstance would a person need an abortion given the availability of cheap and effective contraception. //

They could just be simply reckless and stupid. Not unheard-of. In any case, I don't buy your slippery slope argument, which seems to me to usually boil down to "we shouldn't do the right thing now because we might do the wrong thing later".