Our Wonderful Nhs

[youngmafbog]

Plenty of money for non life threatening like gender changes but none for the over 70's it seems.

Am I surprised - Nope.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6880637/Grandmother-94-bled-death-NHS-staff-refused-treat-varicose-vein.html

[anneasquith]

The biggest tragedy here is, she is in sheltered accommodation but , no warden available ..?

[Mamyalynne]

That's very difficult to read - poor lady and her family.

[Sqad]

People die all the time and she wasn't refused treatment as she was on the NHS waiting list for operation.

Asquith is correct.......where was the warden?

[hereIam]

Absolutely disgusting - what a horrible way for an old lady to die, losing all that blood. She must have been so scared. This makes me want to cry, and I also agree with anne's comment.

[youngmafbog]

//Cynthia Butcher, from Aveley in Essex, was referred by her GP to A&E with a note warning a golf-ball size lump on her leg 'may bleed catastrophically imminently'.

But the great-grandmother was turned away from Basildon Hospital by doctors who said they could not perform the procedure because she was 'over 70,' reports The Mirror. //

Clearly they knew it was an emergency but declined to rush.

[youngmafbog]

I agree Anne, where the warden was needs looking at.

[retrocop]

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Seems a common scenario .My MIL bled to death of an aortic aneurism bursting. She lived in sheltered accomodation in Peebles opposite the Police Station. No warden in attendance. The family especially placed her there in the belief a warden would keep an eye on her.Huh.

[Sqad]

YMG...clearly the hospital doctors didn't agree with the GP that bleeding was imminent and placed her on the waiting list.

The comment by some reporter that all it needed was a "nick" that would take 10 mins was uninformed nonsense.

[Calicogirl]

Oh that's awful, really, really awful, but it's not correct that the NHS routinely avoid treating the over 70's.
I have no idea why this occurred in this case, and questions most definitely need to be answered and people brought to book where there is fault, but it's not a general policy as my terminally ill grandfather is well over that age and is treated frequently, caringly and well on the NHS.

[Sqad]

Retro.....a burst abdominal aortic aneurysm, warden or no warden is basically death sentence.

[youngmafbog]

Clearly the hospital doctors were very wrong!

[Sqad]

YMG...Not necessarily, as we do not know when she died after being put on the waiting list in June 2018.
Doctors are often wrong......every doctor.....they are human beings rather than soothsayers.

[retrocop]

I know Sqad. I had one and received stents when it exceeded the monitored diameter.
I don't blame the NHS for her death on bit. She was given the warning formula about 20years previously by NHS Scotland as a result of many smoking related maladys. She was told if she continued smoking it was likely she would go blind. She was one of these idiots who new better and said her dad smoked all his life. She watched him slowy die latter 10 years of his life hooked up to an oxygen bottle. Then she saw her younger brother die attached to an
oxygen bottle. The doctors said her aneurism was inoperable because her arteries were too badly damaged due to prolonged smoking. She never got my sympathy vote but she wasted a hell of a lot of the NHS resources because of her stubborn circumstances.

[retrocop]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
stubborn selfishness is what I meant.

[anneasquith]

Your mother’s story is a sad one retro, but alas we are not perfect.

[ladybirder]

Speak for yourself Anne;-)

[retrocop]

Neither am I perfect but I am not stupid and selfish either. I was a heavy smoker and told I would need an aortic bypass and bi Femoral grafts.I was advised o stop smoking by the pre-op nurse. I did immediately. That was about 16 years ago.
This OP is not about me or my MIL. I was actually defending the NHS track record as it happens and criticising the lack of wardens in sheltered accomodation. They charge enough for them !!!

[anneasquith]

I’m sorry LB, except you obviously. Sorry for digression.

[dannyk13]

Sqad, can you say whether or not there is an age ban in the NHS?

[Sqad]

Not that I have ever come across danny, each case is assessed individually and treatment depending upon clinical findings.

However danny, my answer may be out of date.