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So If We Say No, We Leave With No Deal, Right?
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Sounds good from whre I am standing.
I think most brexiteers realised this from the start since we votyed out due to the EUSSR intransigence so it is no surprise to us no deal has been reached. Of course the Remainers have, perhaps unwittingly, wrecked the negotiations by making May put her cards on the table, the one thing you must never do in poker or negotiation.
Should have been done from day one. No deal and no cash.
I think most brexiteers realised this from the start since we votyed out due to the EUSSR intransigence so it is no surprise to us no deal has been reached. Of course the Remainers have, perhaps unwittingly, wrecked the negotiations by making May put her cards on the table, the one thing you must never do in poker or negotiation.
Should have been done from day one. No deal and no cash.
To be fair if I was in the EU's position I wouldnt give one either.
The Remainincs have forced us to put all our cards on the table so they know May is stuck meaning they have absolutely no incentive to strike any sort of deal that is beneficial to us. So they wont - and that's before they get to the "punish them for wanting to leave".
The Remainincs have forced us to put all our cards on the table so they know May is stuck meaning they have absolutely no incentive to strike any sort of deal that is beneficial to us. So they wont - and that's before they get to the "punish them for wanting to leave".
Lord Malloch-Brown (who?) said this: "Like him, [George Soros] I am very proud of a career spent in international human rights, promoting democracy and trying to secure healthy democratic cultures in countries everywhere.”
Except in the UK, it seems.
The decision to leave the EU could not have been more democratic. Firstly the electorate made their choice when asked, then their MPs voted overwhelmingly (by five to one) to invoke Article 50. The question posed to both groups did not include any caveats regarding the ease with which withdrawal could be achieved, nor did it include any mention of a veto being available should the final deal be unsuitable. It was simply “Remain” or “Leave”. I don’t know how many times this needs repeating and it is obvious that when MPs get their vote on the final deal their choice will be equally simple: accept the deal or leave without one.
As youngmaf says, there is no way on Earth the EU will agree to a deal which is pragmatic and beneficial to both sides. They don’t do that sort of thing because The Project is paramount. They would not have done so even without the ridiculous behaviour of some MPs (on both sides of the House). They certainly won’t do so with it. It is about time some of the people allegedly steering our path out of this mess realised that (as they should have done from the outset).
Except in the UK, it seems.
The decision to leave the EU could not have been more democratic. Firstly the electorate made their choice when asked, then their MPs voted overwhelmingly (by five to one) to invoke Article 50. The question posed to both groups did not include any caveats regarding the ease with which withdrawal could be achieved, nor did it include any mention of a veto being available should the final deal be unsuitable. It was simply “Remain” or “Leave”. I don’t know how many times this needs repeating and it is obvious that when MPs get their vote on the final deal their choice will be equally simple: accept the deal or leave without one.
As youngmaf says, there is no way on Earth the EU will agree to a deal which is pragmatic and beneficial to both sides. They don’t do that sort of thing because The Project is paramount. They would not have done so even without the ridiculous behaviour of some MPs (on both sides of the House). They certainly won’t do so with it. It is about time some of the people allegedly steering our path out of this mess realised that (as they should have done from the outset).
No country has ever left before, so there is no rule book, so to speak. We should just walk away because the EU are just making things up as they go along. They have every intention of punishing us because they will be losing our contribution, which is the only reason they wanted us in the first place!
jim360
My strong suspicion is that, if anyone in this thread actually got directly involved in this rather than shouting from the sidelines, it would take them not much more than an hour or two to change their tune. The reason the government isn't delivering what you lot want is because it's not possible.
Says Jim...whose opening gambit was to shout something sarcastic from the sidelines
My strong suspicion is that, if anyone in this thread actually got directly involved in this rather than shouting from the sidelines, it would take them not much more than an hour or two to change their tune. The reason the government isn't delivering what you lot want is because it's not possible.
Says Jim...whose opening gambit was to shout something sarcastic from the sidelines
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