Basket Case Eu

[lindapalmara]

Interesting letter today (look along the letters page about 3 columns). What do the Remoaners say about this?

[dannyk13]

Can you elucidate Linda?

[Buenchico]

>>> look along the letters page about 3 columns

Strangely enough, Linda, we don't all read the same newspapers!

Which one?

[dannyk13]

Found it Chris. Daily Mail.

[dannyk13]

The gist of the letter is that the economic value of the UK, France and Germany is greater than the other 23 states combined.

[lindapalmara]

Oh I'm so sorry, forgot the link!!

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20171220/282608853173203

[Hopkirk]

That's why they are squeezing money out of us. The sums won't add up without us.

[Peter Pedant]

which paper sweet one ?

[Peter Pedant]

this remoaner says
we are better in with the big boys than out

[kvalidir]

Ditto to what Peter says. It's a typically weak, ill thought out letter as I'd expect from the good old rabble rousing, xenophobic Daily Mail.
'Let's Make England Great Again Ra, Ra, Ra', 'We won the War', 'They'll be nothing without us', 'Johnnny foreigner just wants us for our money' ( what not our charm, sophistication and sauvoir-faire???) etc etc etc ad nauseum.

[Old_Geezer]

The cost of being in is too high. Some things are worth the price. And there's no way of telling whether, financially, we'll be better or worse off financially in the long term until we try for it.

[sp1814]

lindapalmara

Why not use the term ‘Remainers’, rather than ‘Remoaners’?

Will look at the letter in a moment - right now the site is hanging.

[cassa333]

Small fish, big pond or big fish, small pond.

Big fish pay a bigger price to be in the small pond but still only eat the same or in some cases less than the other fish.
Small fish can dart between them all eating as much as they can get their little fins on.

[fender62]

why were eastern block countries allowed to join, when they had nothing financially to bring to the party except their unemployed.

[dannyk13]

And there are more queuing up to join.

[emmie]

all the more reason to get out while we can, what if Turkey joins in the party, that would be disastrous.

[Old_Geezer]

You make an interesting point fender. Perhaps that is it, big business wanting to short circuit the national labour market for their own benefit, instead of letting it work as they claim markets should, by importing cheap labour ?

But I suspect they'd make out that it is to do with sharing the wealth so we are all progressing and not envious of what other nations have, thus encouraging peace. But if so, then those taxpayers who see their country's wealth going to the poorer nations, without their explicit decision to send charity, may see things a little differently.

[Khandro]

What do the Remoaners say about this? Ignore 'em.
Breaking news; Christine Lagarde eats humble-pie. 'In June 2016, the IMF warned that Brexit would cause a recession [in the UK] and lower GDP by 5.5 per cent. In its most recent report today, the IMF accepted that 'output is expected to grow by 1.6 per cent this year'.

[Khandro]

fender; //why were eastern block countries allowed to join, when they had nothing financially to bring to the party except their unemployed.//

It's all about pretend fear of the big bad bear; Russia.
The EU has to have an enemy (though no one is threatening it). They want to make a European army and demonstrate to we poor defenceless suckers how they are protecting us, and without them, Mr Putin would overrun the EU parliament an enslave us all.

[New Judge]

“It's a typically weak, ill thought out letter as I'd expect from the good old rabble rousing, xenophobic Daily Mail.
'Let's Make England Great Again Ra, Ra, Ra', 'We won the War', 'They'll be nothing without us', 'Johnnny foreigner just wants us for our money'”

I don’t think you’ll find many sensible Leavers (probably a contradiction in terms in your view) who feel that way, kvalidir. The war is long over and we would not have triumphed had the USA not belatedly entered the fray on our side. I’m certainly not suggesting that the remaining EU countries will be nothing without us. A few of them do alright, most do not and that will continue to be the case when we leave (except perhaps that many of those who do not do alright will probably fare less well as they depend heavily on our largesse for their enhanced standard of living). For this reason Johnny Foreigner certainly does want us for our money (and probably little else). The UK is the second largest of the five net contributors to the EDWS (otherwise known as the European Distribution of Wealth Scheme, or the EU for short) and our departure (provided it is achieved without endless payments to the EU) will hit them hard.

I've read the letter and its author makes a very valid point. The EU portrays itself as mighty and powerful economic force of 500m people. In fact only perhaps half a dozen or so of its members have a GDP that approaches anything like that needed to compete on the world stage. The remainder are economic small fry that have won the lottery. The argument that “big is good” fails to hold water in the case of the EU because the twenty or so members that are economic nonentities drag down the few that are worthy of consideration by the EU’s insistence that everything (including their money) must be shared for the good of all. Rather like me opening a joint account with Bill Gates, it certainly is good of the small fry but that munificence does nothing for the good of the contributors.

[Togo]

//we are better in with the big boys than out //

Ageed, let's join the US, China, Brazil, India, big boys "club" without imposed conditions set by the snivelling small fry. :))

// 'Johnnny foreigner just wants us for our money' ( what not our charm, sophistication and sauvoir-faire???) etc etc etc ad nauseum. //

Said with typical.................charm, sophistication, and savoir faire etc etc etc. :))