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rich47 | 09:08 Mon 11th Dec 2017 | News
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Can someone explain to me how, without Customs Posts or Passport Controls, you can have a
"soft" border between Ireland(in the EU) and Northern Ireland(outside the EU)? Would this not require both parties to accept free movement of people and membership of the customs union?
Many politicians state a "soft border" as their objective but none explain how.
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Both Northern and Southern Ireland totally refuse to have anything other than a fully soft ,open and unrestricted border. So yes, I can see no way that the rest of the UK can leave the customs union.
Scotland ,Wales and London have all said that if Northern Ireland is allowed any type of 'special relationship' with the EU , then that relationship MUST also apply to them as Northern Ireland is as much a part of the UK as they are.
The only way we can possibly leave the EU is to leave in name only , all else has to remain the same, including freedom of movement.
This is precisely what I said and predicted months ago.
We will be worse off as we still have to abide by EU decisions but will have zero input in making those decisions. Even worse we will have to pay £35 to £55 Billion for the privilege of gaining nothing but losing some of what we already have.
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nice to see you posting again Rich, long time no see.
Eddie, Cobras, dream on. I can't be bothered to refute your BS for the 1000th time, perhaps the infinitely more patient judge will come along and demolish your rubbish again on behalf of us all.
TTT.....instead of dishing out these tiresome insults, you can explain how the Border is going to work, post March 2019 ?
what insult? I have not insulted anyone.
TTT then please explain how it is possible to have a fully open and unrestricted border between the UK and the EU , which is all both Northern and Southern Ireland will accept,and yet not be in the customs union with free movement of people and goods?
You as AB's principle Brexit supporter must have the answer?
Remember the DUP who support the government at the moment , will immediately switch sides if any attempt is made to restrict the border between the Republic and Northern Ireland . They have the government over a barrel, but possibly you can see away out.
"Eddie, Cobras, dream on. I can't be bothered to refute your BS for the 1000th time, perhaps the infinitely more patient judge will come along and demolish your rubbish again on behalf of us all"

TTT...you couldn't have been more insulting if you had tried....perhaps you need to make an appointment at Specsavers.
Norway, Switzerland manage. "The only way we can possibly leave the EU is to leave in name only" - are Norway and Switzerland in the EU in all but name? I don't know precisely how it is administered but I do know the problem has a solution.
that's not an insult, I have not done any name calling I merely observed the content of the post as 100% BS and supposition.
Specksavers or Brainsavers, Mikey eh!.
Clearly worded explanations welcome, squabbling is what has got us here already.
Since when has disagreeing with a poster's stance equated to an insult of the poster?
Precisely Mamy....perhaps TTT can give an answer to Rich's question, as we are all in confusion over this business with the Eire/NI Border.

This time last week, the whole affair was in total confusion, as Mrs May had "forgotten" to ask the DUP for their OK in the deal that she was hashing with the EU

The DUP quite rightly objected, and then May pulled something out of the bag.
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Is TTT not aware that there is a hard border between Norway and Sweden? A little knowledge is .............
Has no one got an answer to my question other than there is no answer.
DD...you can disagree without the naked insults.

TTT is using BS, when we know what he means but is unable to post.
Switzerland is in both Schengen and the Single Market (to an extent), so I am not sure that it is a "solution" that would appeal to most die-hard Brexiters. Likewise Norway is part of the EEA, which is kind of a "single market lite", I think. In both cases the agreements mean that Switzerland and Norway are subject to (a proportion of) EU law without being able to influence it.

I'm not saying whether or not this is a good thing but it seems to me that looking to such countries for solutions is -- and always has been -- somewhat inconsistent with the objectives of Brexit. In turn, that makes the Irish border an issue that is hard to solve without making some seriously profound concessions.
I most definitely haven't got the answer Rich and do disagree with some of the ideas put forward but don't need to denounce then with shorthand expletives.
I was mostly denouncing this bit of sillyness: "The only way we can possibly leave the EU is to leave in name only" - the standard ramblings and hope of the VB.
Would it not be possible to have tighter controls on ports/airports for people/goods coming in but still allow free movement between North and South?

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