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Personally I don't think it is all about leadership. I think it is about Remainers trying to undermine Brexit as it isn't going thier way.
Even Labour opposition to Corbyn has dried up. Not necessarily because those originally against him have changed thier minds. They just see him as a useful idiot to getting themselves into power. But at least they are silent rather than still moaning.
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Personally I don't think it is all about leadership. I think it is about Remainers trying to undermine Brexit as it isn't going thier way.
Even Labour opposition to Corbyn has dried up. Not necessarily because those originally against him have changed thier minds. They just see him as a useful idiot to getting themselves into power. But at least they are silent rather than still moaning.
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"Personally I don't think it is all about leadership. I think it is about Remainers trying to undermine Brexit as it isn't going thier way."
It's an interesting take on a situation that very clearly *does* have a lot to do with leadership, or lack thereof: May triumphantly led the Tories from a dangerous position of stability into the wonderful promised land of minority government, which speaks volumes about what a fine leader she is :/
Besides which, trying to remove her if you were wanting to reduce the risks of a particular type of Brexit seems to me likely to backfire spectacularly, when at least two of the obvious candidates to replace her are Johnson and Davis, both of whom are pretty likely to wish for as "hard" a Brexit as possible. I don't think that someone like Hammond would end up as leader, and as the article shows Ruth Davidson is doing her level best to rule herself out (always a sign that she probably does want the job, if "Yes Minister" taught me anything...), so if this were a pro-Remain plot it seems likely to end up shooting itself in the plot.
I think she's missed her window of opportunity to depart gracefully, but I'm also fairly sure that the Tories have missed their chance to force her out.
It's an interesting take on a situation that very clearly *does* have a lot to do with leadership, or lack thereof: May triumphantly led the Tories from a dangerous position of stability into the wonderful promised land of minority government, which speaks volumes about what a fine leader she is :/
Besides which, trying to remove her if you were wanting to reduce the risks of a particular type of Brexit seems to me likely to backfire spectacularly, when at least two of the obvious candidates to replace her are Johnson and Davis, both of whom are pretty likely to wish for as "hard" a Brexit as possible. I don't think that someone like Hammond would end up as leader, and as the article shows Ruth Davidson is doing her level best to rule herself out (always a sign that she probably does want the job, if "Yes Minister" taught me anything...), so if this were a pro-Remain plot it seems likely to end up shooting itself in the plot.
I think she's missed her window of opportunity to depart gracefully, but I'm also fairly sure that the Tories have missed their chance to force her out.
There are plenty of vocal Remainers within the conservatives and I think it is they who are trying to get rid of her.
If all the hyp about any leader is to be believed then Corbyn should have been gone a long time ago but he clung on and everyone now appear to be happy bunnies. Either that or they are simply keeping quiet.
I don't actually see May as the disaster others do. I see people using leadership as an excuse and jumping on any and every hiccup and building it into a disaster and 'she's doomed' mentality. Say it long and loud enough and people will believe it. Whether it is true or not.
May was a Remainer (albeit a relatively quiet one) but as PM she has accepted the decision and got on with it. How many others pretend to accept it but continue to try to blogger it up.
Any Remainer MP is allowed to still think Bexit is a poor decision but that is the decision that has been made and they should not be putting squabbles in the way. Mainly because it undermined their party.
The quickest way to let the opposition in is to have a fractured party. Getting rid of May won't change the basic squabbling going on in the Conservative party at the moment it will only increase it.
If all the hyp about any leader is to be believed then Corbyn should have been gone a long time ago but he clung on and everyone now appear to be happy bunnies. Either that or they are simply keeping quiet.
I don't actually see May as the disaster others do. I see people using leadership as an excuse and jumping on any and every hiccup and building it into a disaster and 'she's doomed' mentality. Say it long and loud enough and people will believe it. Whether it is true or not.
May was a Remainer (albeit a relatively quiet one) but as PM she has accepted the decision and got on with it. How many others pretend to accept it but continue to try to blogger it up.
Any Remainer MP is allowed to still think Bexit is a poor decision but that is the decision that has been made and they should not be putting squabbles in the way. Mainly because it undermined their party.
The quickest way to let the opposition in is to have a fractured party. Getting rid of May won't change the basic squabbling going on in the Conservative party at the moment it will only increase it.
You are wrong about more or less everything.
The only person destabalising May for the past month has been Boris Johnson. He is not a remainer, he is a hard brexitter. The hypocrisy of now saying the party should get behind May is breathtaking. He is only saying that now because he has missed his chance. The Conference was supposed to be his moment when a popular coup brought him to power. Except no one really wanted that, and his pre-conference manoevring backfired and he looked disloyal and pushy.
Corbyn's change of fortune is entirely down to May's disastrous calling of an early election. The Labour Party had convinced itself that it was unelectable, and then they had an election result that was better than everyones expectation. The Labour Party put on 38 seats, and the people who were against Corbyn because they were fearful of losing their seats, were suddenly ameliorated. Corbyn suddenly becme their best option, not their worse, and it was all down to May's bad timing.
The only person destabalising May for the past month has been Boris Johnson. He is not a remainer, he is a hard brexitter. The hypocrisy of now saying the party should get behind May is breathtaking. He is only saying that now because he has missed his chance. The Conference was supposed to be his moment when a popular coup brought him to power. Except no one really wanted that, and his pre-conference manoevring backfired and he looked disloyal and pushy.
Corbyn's change of fortune is entirely down to May's disastrous calling of an early election. The Labour Party had convinced itself that it was unelectable, and then they had an election result that was better than everyones expectation. The Labour Party put on 38 seats, and the people who were against Corbyn because they were fearful of losing their seats, were suddenly ameliorated. Corbyn suddenly becme their best option, not their worse, and it was all down to May's bad timing.
//I don't actually see May as the disaster others do//
This rather surprises me - I can't think of a single major policy commitment that May has not U-turned on (Europe, social care, the election, housing, foreign worker quotas, Hinkley Point, ECHR, Energy price caps, etc etc).
Even by the normal standards of politicians she is one of the most staggeringly inconsistent leaders we have ever had. I quite liked her myself at the very start, but then she immediately reversed course on all the things I liked.
Her main goal just seems to be to cling desperately onto power by any means necessary. I thought it was particularly significant that in her speech she specifically dismissed claims that her govt was there "to keep power for the sake of keeping power." Now why on earth would she feel the need to counter that, eh?
This rather surprises me - I can't think of a single major policy commitment that May has not U-turned on (Europe, social care, the election, housing, foreign worker quotas, Hinkley Point, ECHR, Energy price caps, etc etc).
Even by the normal standards of politicians she is one of the most staggeringly inconsistent leaders we have ever had. I quite liked her myself at the very start, but then she immediately reversed course on all the things I liked.
Her main goal just seems to be to cling desperately onto power by any means necessary. I thought it was particularly significant that in her speech she specifically dismissed claims that her govt was there "to keep power for the sake of keeping power." Now why on earth would she feel the need to counter that, eh?
Kromo...she is also incapable of any original policies.
Her recent pronouncement on energy bills was first mentioned by Ed Milliband, a policy that the Tories ridiculed at the time as unworkable.
The change of heart on Council House building, something the country desperately needs, will amount to just 5000 homes a years, when we need to be building 50,000 to 60,000 at least.
As regards the about-turn on student fees, it has everything to do with attracting the young voter, that they sorely need. Looking at the attendees at the Conference in Manchester, it was like a meeting of the un-dead, rather than a Party with wide appeal.
Her recent pronouncement on energy bills was first mentioned by Ed Milliband, a policy that the Tories ridiculed at the time as unworkable.
The change of heart on Council House building, something the country desperately needs, will amount to just 5000 homes a years, when we need to be building 50,000 to 60,000 at least.
As regards the about-turn on student fees, it has everything to do with attracting the young voter, that they sorely need. Looking at the attendees at the Conference in Manchester, it was like a meeting of the un-dead, rather than a Party with wide appeal.
Internal squabbles are like the band playing as the Titanic went down. The point is that the EU doesn't want any deal at all. They need to send a signal to other states that you're not going to get out without penalty. They are dragging negotiations out as long as possible while we keep sending the nice money. (We're the largest single contributor before the rebate)
Well, perhaps she wouldn't be if she didn't make so many flagrant power-grabs to the detriment of the country. Or actually stuck to a single damn policy. Or showed any convictions whatsoever other than clinging to power.
I know that for plenty of Tory loyalists, May can do absolutely no wrong because she is Tory and she is the leader. But for chrissake the party needs more than blind loyalists if it is going to stay in government.
I know that for plenty of Tory loyalists, May can do absolutely no wrong because she is Tory and she is the leader. But for chrissake the party needs more than blind loyalists if it is going to stay in government.
Krom, no one has said she can do no wrong. She made a HUGE mistake in calling an election this year – we all know that – and of course Labour supporters who bizarrely appear to want this country wrecked, will denigrate her regardless - but had she not called that election, would the knives have been quite as sharp as they are right now? She has, without doubt, the most difficult job of any peace time Prime Minister. An unenviable position. No one with any sense would create waves for this country at such an important time in our history which says much about those who are. She should be supported.
//Labour supporters who bizarrely appear to want this country wrecked//
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Yes, Naomi, that is exactly what Labour voters want. Millions upon millions walk into the ballot box thinking "Do you know what? I sincerely want to destroy the UK. I want to live in mud huts and poo in the ground. I think I will vote for that." None of them whatsoever have any kind of perspective or structural reason that makes them want to elect a Labour government. The Tories are doing absolutely everything right, the way they are governing the country screws absolutely nobody over at all, and anyone who disagrees is just deluded or dumb. That is an accurate and fair summary of reality.
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Yes, Naomi, that is exactly what Labour voters want. Millions upon millions walk into the ballot box thinking "Do you know what? I sincerely want to destroy the UK. I want to live in mud huts and poo in the ground. I think I will vote for that." None of them whatsoever have any kind of perspective or structural reason that makes them want to elect a Labour government. The Tories are doing absolutely everything right, the way they are governing the country screws absolutely nobody over at all, and anyone who disagrees is just deluded or dumb. That is an accurate and fair summary of reality.
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And no, I don't agree that she should be supported because she has a hard job. A considerable amount of that difficulty is of her own making. She attempted to make herself a political hegemon after promising she wouldn't, and now wants sympathy? No.
Leaders should be scrutinised, and this one sucks.
Leaders should be scrutinised, and this one sucks.
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