Salute The New Emporer Of Europe.

[Khandro]

If any those voting to remain have any doubts as to if they made the right choice, does this speech help you decide unequivocally?
"In his state of the union speech, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker went off-script to say that he thinks Britain ‘will regret’ voting to leave the EU. And he said that he wants EU enlargement, the Schengen area opened to Romania and Bulgaria, a European ‘defence union’, a more powerful president, for member states to adopt the euro, and for public money to be given to pro-EU political parties while it is denied to ‘anti-European extremists’."

[cassa333]

My brother works for a big airospace firm and works all over the world. He only has a UK passport.

He manages quiet well without an EU passport.

[New Judge]

I simply don't understand why you should place such emphasis on those rights, Eddie. UK people have visited, lived and worked in Europe long before the EU was born. There is no doubt that visiting will be no problem after Brexit. There is also little doubt that being able to live and work there will be fairly easy. It will involve a bit of paperwork (or more likely a bit of an online application). And if it isn't easy, why would you want to go to a country that doesn't want you?

The "rights" that you so proudly relish werre obtained at a huge cost to the UK by it having to comply with the multitude of EU strictures. Quite simply, they ain't worth the hassle. You don't have the same rights to live or work in any other country. They want to know who you are and what you can bring to them. That's how it should be. The UK will insist on this and it is only right and proper that EU nations will do the same. Then we can become a "normal" country again.

[-Talbot-]

Once upon a time I used to have to flash my passport at the French/Belgium border and then the Belgium/German border ... what a faff, must have added at least 3 or 4 minutes to my journey.

[Old_Geezer]

All good reasons not to regret.

[Togo]

The Germans always did look East for fresh lands to control when it became obvious that Britain was too difficult t master. The Russians will be pleased. What then do you think? :))

[Spicerack]

To be fair, junkers was probably sozzled when he made his speech. He usually is.

[jourdain2]

Good point, Spicerack, a bit 'in alt' perhaps. :)

[Khandro]

Nigel has word;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/13/jean-claude-juncker-has-made-clear-eus-anti-democratic-bent/

[ludwig]

// Jean-Claude Juncker went off-script to say that he thinks Britain ‘will regret’ voting to leave the EU. //

I bet the actual script said - 'Ve haf vays of making you regret leaving ze EU'.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I can't access your link, but I listened to Nigel today (on the news programmes that were prepared to broadcast what he said) and I think he was flipping brilliant! Not only that .... he was right ..... but no change there.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Yes, with the unelected Commission making (or at least, if you wish, proposing) policy and the elected "parliament" having power only to endorse, delay, call for review or at the very most impose a moratorium on, the latest Commission power grab, we have a juggernaut with no reverse gear, dodgy brakes and a direction which cynics might think is capricious and self-serving.
Summed up by our Nige in an earlier assessment of the arrogance of our new rulers. (He didn't deploy the famous criticism of the Bourbons - that they had learnt nothing and forgotten nothing).

Our Nige's observation:

"The solution to every failure of European integration is more European integration.

[EDDIE51]

Thanks for proving my point New Judge, I knew I could rely on you.

[naomi24]

Eddie, as far as I can see all NJ has proven, and by extension, you by your response to him, is that you are weak, needy and dependant.

[EDDIE51]

naomi I want the RIGHT to live work travel anywhere in the EU without needing any sort of paperwork, permission , form filling , visa at all.
How does that make me weak , needy and dependant ? I would say it shows the exact opposite.

[naomi24]

Eddie, you need your passport now to travel to Europe - and actually to leave the Continent to return to the UK. That's not likely to change. For goodness sake stop scaremongering!

[-Talbot-]

naomi I want the RIGHT to live work travel anywhere in the EU without needing any sort of paperwork




Are passports being abolished?

[naomi24]

Eddie seems to think they've already been abolished. Could be it's a long time since he travelled. ;o)

[david small]

I travel regularly to the continent and have to get off the coach march in all weathers to passport control. I queue up etc etc. So what's new?

[vetuste_ennemi]

//I want the RIGHT to live work travel anywhere in the EU without needing any sort of paperwork, permission , form filling , visa at all. //

Don't like form filling myself, Eddie.

Was that why you voted to stay in the EU?

[cassa333]

Actually I think people like Eddie should be allowed to get/retain an EU passport.

However it would hold no sway and have no benefit (i.e. ECHR etc) in the UK. They would also have to fund the passport themselves. They would pay the EU direct for all the benefits they get.

How much does the UK pay per head for the benefit of EU membership? Perhaps individually people like Eddie could get say a 10% discount by not having to pay for the things he won't have access to!!

Maybe it should just be an EU travel document rather than passport!!?