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I will say I don't think it's entirely Corbyn's faction that has destroyed the Labour party. I think the situation is actually much worse than that. If it was just a coup by insurgent radicals (as is often represented)
10:09 Thu 11th May 2017
Corbyn is actually a communist who has infiltrated the Labour party and destroyed it from within, which is highly regrettable. As far as the Right is concerned he is a 'useful idiot', but as far as British politics in general, I can't see how a balanced opposition can ever be attained with him as leader and he refuses to go.
There is now talk of at least 100 Labour MPs forming a completely new party, and why not?
There is now talk of at least 100 Labour MPs forming a completely new party, and why not?
The general consensus is that Mr Corbyn has no actual interest in winning this election (probably just as well!) - but he is keen to return the labour Party to what he sees as its correct position on the left of politics as against its current centrist slot.
On that basis, it matter not what his manifesto says, because he is never going to be called on to implement its promises, so he can be as fanciful as he likes - and he certainly is.
On that basis, it matter not what his manifesto says, because he is never going to be called on to implement its promises, so he can be as fanciful as he likes - and he certainly is.
Yeah, that's about my feeling as well Andy - with the possible exception of Rail, which I think could probably be done if it was pitched correctly to the public.
Corbyn doesn't have the political capital (or the judgement) to do that, though. It's very disheartening as I am sympathetic to many of his policy goals, but his lack of judgement is going to get the party slaughtered and hand power to the Tories until I am an old man.
At present his only ghost of a chance is a) some massive unforeseen PR disaster for the Tories, and it would have to be very serious; b) May seriously cocking up in the TV special. And I mean cocking up on the level of insulting an audience member's grandma or having a breakdown and smothering herself in peanut oil or something.
Corbyn doesn't have the political capital (or the judgement) to do that, though. It's very disheartening as I am sympathetic to many of his policy goals, but his lack of judgement is going to get the party slaughtered and hand power to the Tories until I am an old man.
At present his only ghost of a chance is a) some massive unforeseen PR disaster for the Tories, and it would have to be very serious; b) May seriously cocking up in the TV special. And I mean cocking up on the level of insulting an audience member's grandma or having a breakdown and smothering herself in peanut oil or something.
I will say I don't think it's entirely Corbyn's faction that has destroyed the Labour party. I think the situation is actually much worse than that. If it was just a coup by insurgent radicals (as is often represented), it would be a matter of removing them and returning to normal. But when you remember what that "normal" was two years ago, it seems the whole of the party seems to have given up entirely on power.
Corbyn's lot on the one hand are (justly) criticised for putting their ideals above winning votes. But the supposedly pragmatic centrists in the party seem no less detached from reality to me, as that catastrophically bodged coup last year showed. Then I remember the leadership election when Corbyn initially won, and the sheer mediocrity and lack of imagination that characterised every other candidate. The party has no way of reconciling its contradictory support base.
Even if Corbyn staves the inevitable by resigning after this election, I'm not totally convinced the Labour party is going to exist much longer.
Corbyn's lot on the one hand are (justly) criticised for putting their ideals above winning votes. But the supposedly pragmatic centrists in the party seem no less detached from reality to me, as that catastrophically bodged coup last year showed. Then I remember the leadership election when Corbyn initially won, and the sheer mediocrity and lack of imagination that characterised every other candidate. The party has no way of reconciling its contradictory support base.
Even if Corbyn staves the inevitable by resigning after this election, I'm not totally convinced the Labour party is going to exist much longer.
Party wrecked, just at the time it is really needed.
Corbyn and his commie allies in the unions and Momentum should hang their heads in shame.
I hope the 100 odd MP's do form a party. preferably center left to a) give voters a real choice and b) keep the Government in check.
Whilst I am an ardent Tory supporter, unlike those on the left I do realise a one party (yes I know there are others but they wont win) State is not good for the country. All you need is a Tory Bliar and we are all doomed.
Corbyn and his commie allies in the unions and Momentum should hang their heads in shame.
I hope the 100 odd MP's do form a party. preferably center left to a) give voters a real choice and b) keep the Government in check.
Whilst I am an ardent Tory supporter, unlike those on the left I do realise a one party (yes I know there are others but they wont win) State is not good for the country. All you need is a Tory Bliar and we are all doomed.
it's loyal Labour voters like mikey that get some sympathy from me, I understand they could never bring themselves to vote Tory and respect that and I think they privately hate what has happened to their party. They are in effect disenfranchised, in effect forced to vote for their party regardless, some may not vote or vote for a minor party. Labour are in effect down to their hard core voters, those that would never change come what May. (see what I did there?)
TTT, //it's loyal Labour voters like mikey that get some sympathy from me, I understand they could never bring themselves to vote Tory and respect that //
No sympathy or respect for that from me. Those people cling to the unworkable ideologies of the past without an iota logical thought. Brainwashed.
No sympathy or respect for that from me. Those people cling to the unworkable ideologies of the past without an iota logical thought. Brainwashed.
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