Corbyn Wants Argentina To Have A Say In Running Falklands

[Zacs-Master]

And this is a fit man to run the Labour Party?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11833264/Jeremy-Corbyns-Falklands-plan-tantamount-to-surrender-to-Argentina-warns-wounded-veteran-Simon-Weston.html

[anotheoldgit]

whiskeryron

/// If they want to be British then invite them to come & live here, everybody else does !! ///

I believe they are British, so they have every right to come here if they so wish, obviously they have chosen not to, at least their community is still quintessentially British.

[ToraToraTora]

good job he's never going to get anywhere near No 10 then.

[jim360]

It's odd, if not altogether surprising, that AOG seems to be working hard to try and pretend that there was literally nothing ever done wrong by the darling Tory Government under Thatcher (in the lead-up to the Falklands war, here). I mean, really? The withdrawal (or planned withdrawal) of the British naval forces in the South Atlantic, under the 1981 defence review, was a clear mistake in the face of an aggressive Argentina.

We can, and should, be thankful for Thatcher's response to the invasion, while recognising that the Tory Government could and should have done more in the build-up to defend the islands.

[Togo]

Corbyn is just the latest pin up boy for the fifth columnists.

[TWR]

That statement is a disgrace and an insult to the lads / Girls that lost their life's fighting for the place, Corbyn, you are a disgrace to the Labour Party.

[ToraToraTora]

jim, if I covet my neighbour's garden, then how is he even 1% to Blame? I just don't see how the government of the time can possibly blamed at all for the actions of a failed military junta trying to look better at home. Apart from anything else the Islands have been British since before Argentina even existed as a nation. How is there even the tiniest claim?

[mushroom25]

TTT, argentina has existed since 1816. the british occupied the islands in 1833.
(see my last post on the previous page)

[Khandro]

mush.//at least, the above represents the argentine case for the islands.//

Yes and it is a complete fabrication. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[Baldric]

I lost a couple of good Mates when we were there in '82, so I really don't agree with him!

[jim360]

I meant, TTT, that the British government made mistakes in the build-up. This doesn't necessarily mean that they are to blame at all.

Rather like, say, it was a mistake to leave our house door open once while two of the family were out and the other two weren't near the open door, but in the end the subsequent robbery was entirely the fault of the burglars.

[vulcan42]

mushroom25, please explain something. You say that at one time both British and Spain had settlements on the islands and then Britain withdrew. Argentina then gained independence from Spain, so how then did Argentina inherit east Falklands?

[Togo]

In 1776 the Spanish Crown established the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, an umbrella of territories from which, with the Revolution of May 1810, began a process of gradual formation of several independent states, including one called the United Provinces of Río de la Plata. With the declaration of independence on July 9, 1816 and the military defeat of the Spanish Empire in 1824, a federal state was formed in 1853-1861, known today as the Republic of Argentina.

This does not seem to indicate that Argentina was a country in 1816 does it.
Who's zoomin who ?

[mushroom25]

vulcan, argentina's claim to the islands rests on the spanish settlement of porto soledad on east falkland from 1767. from 1774 the settlement was administered by the viceroyalty of the river plate (the spanish colony) until this became independent as argentina. argentina lay claim to all of the dependencies previously administered by the viceroyalty, including porto soledad. this settlement was abandoned at the time but was re-occupied by way of an argentine grant of land. the settlement was renamed puerto luis and the political commander exercised his authority by restricting sealing in the island waters, a tactic that brought him into conflict with the americans, who despatched the "lexington" in 1831. the commander had left before lexington arrived but a successor was appointed and he arrived in puerto luis in 1832; he was later murdered during a mutiny. what was left of the settlement were persuaded to leave when the british arrived in 1833; the argentine commander was outmanned and outgunned so had little option.

i'm not saying there's any tangible basis to argentina's claim in all that - just that they base it on certain historical happenings.

[Khandro]

Better read 'The History of the Falkland Islands' by Mary Cawkell, and Sir Rex Hunt.
The British did not "occupy" the islands in 1833, they reasserted their ownership.

[Slapshot]

Go there, talk to the people, see what they want, see who they want to be..... that above all else is what matters. The Islands belong to the Islanders, they chose what they want to be. We defend their right to have that choice the same as any other British Overseas Territory.

Corbyn is a comedy politician like many of the loony lefties ... shows what an an anachronism the labour party is when a clown like that can surface at a time like this. God help humanity if a clown like that ever saw real power

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

There was a severe global economic recession affecting much of the developed world in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Desperate measures had to be taken, so we couldn't carry on with the Labour attitude of 'spend, Spend, Spend', one being in this case defence spending.

The Thatcher Government decided the best and safest method was to withdraw a certain amount of resources from far off destinations such as the South Atlantic while continuing to protect our interests closer to home, ie NATO.

Seemed a wise decision at the time, but of course with the advantage of foresight certain decisions may have been different.

[Togo]

http://i59.tinypic.com/335ec02.jpg

Untruth the tool of the fifth columnists.

[mushroom25]

//The Islands belong to the Islanders, they chose what they want to be. //

that would appear to be a reasonable position, however even that is a matter of dispute. within the guidelines of the UN charter on self determination, the falkland islanders can be considered to be not indigenous and if that is indeed the case, they have no right to choose.

[mushroom25]

//good job he's never going to get anywhere near No 10 then.//

unless the pollsters have got it wrong (admittedly their recent record suggests a degree of inaccuracy), corbyn will be labour leader come 12th september. all it would need then is for the economy to fare badly over the next few years - and already china is threatening to melt down and take the rest of the world with it - and an anti austerity corbyn will look very attractive to the electorate, much as Tsipras did to the greek electorate.

[ToraToraTora]

the argies have form here anyway, they also claim tierra Del Fuego, the chilean Islands, who'd have thought it. They can't even run their own country gawd knows why they covet others.