This Will Be Interesting.

[sir.prize]

Last week seven members of a Telford group were jailed for up to 18 years instant custody with an additional eight-year period on licence after release.

Today an Oxfordshire child sex trafficking ring has been convicted.

Hopefully they will be suitably imprisoned.

Or will our justice sytstem once more show inconsistency in sentences?

[sir.prize]

///Why are these men so disaffected?///

Because, apparently according to news reports, it stems from their education.

///And how can we stop them from turning away from society?///

I do not think we can. They have a belief and live by it - they do not respect or acknowledge society.

[jim360]

Well, I was mainly asking the questions rather than providing the answers, of course. I think it ought to be possible, eventually, to deal with the problem. Probably, if it really is an education issue, we ought to target the next generation of Pakistanis. Many adults, however unreasonable their views, can be too stuck in those views to listen.

[sir.prize]

jim360 - education shouldn't be a problem.

The government is planning to double the amount of aid it provides to Pakistan from £267m in 2012-13 to £446m in 2014-15, making it the largest recipient of UK aid.

Yes, I know that money goes to Pakistan. Why not keep some of it here to educate the 'disaffected' individuals in this country.

[jim360]

Why not both?

[sir.prize]

Why not both what?

[jim360]

Aid to Pakistan, and money spent here trying to help the "disaffected".

[sir.prize]

That is exactly what I said . . .see here

Why not keep some of it here to educate the 'disaffected' individuals in this country.

[jim360]

Oh bloody hell, I'm not in form today... so you did say that. My mistake.

[Spoonboy]

While it may seem alright worrying over what sex offenders will get once caught, should you not worry more that their victims will get the right care to help them through the trauma suffered?! As a victim myself, while I may hope these predators get all they deserve, there is not always the help there for the victims. Just spare a thought for the lives they wreck, is all I ask.

[chrisgel]

Jim - Sir. - I honestly think that you are both barking up the wrong tree, Whether that is because you don't want or refuse to acknowledge the blatant truth is for you to decide.
This is not a race issue. It is an issue of religion. Radical muslims know full well that the British, with their inate sense of fair play, are a soft touch when it comes to being accused of racism so they have coined their own word to make us feel guilty. Islamophobia - a totally made up word to enable a group of people to get their own way.
Islam tells it's adherents that non-muslims (Kaffirs) are worthless and they must never befriend them. Imagine then how much less kaffir women are valued. It is with the excuse of following the Koran that some of these men justify their disgraceful actions and we are letting them do this time and time again for fear of being accused of racism.
If you haven't already seen this BBC documentary presented by Adil Ray then I would recommend that you do so and in particular watch for the muslim teenagers being interviewed and you will see the next generation of abusers,

http://majedsblog.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/bbc-3-documentary-groomed-for-sex/

[sir.prize]

Enoch Powell was right!

[sir.prize]

chrisgirl - thanks for your input. Unfortunately the documentary you quote is unavailable.

[sir.prize]

chrisgel - apologies for my error re your username

[jim360]

That's a contradiction in terms...

Anyway. It's a warped and twisted interpretation of religion, if so. Or, perhaps, those Muslims who grow up not to be child sex abusers forgot to read their Holy Book, as Richard Dawkins might say. I've never read the Qu'ran so I wouldn't know either way.

[naomi24]

Jim, forgive me, but I haven't read all the posts here. Have you read the Koran?

[jim360]

I just said I didn't. I've read the Bible, for the most part, and imagine it's probably going to be similar to that in most ways. But I may well be wildly wrong.

[chrisgel]

Jim360 - Way to go misinterpreting what I said. I hope it makes you feel snug and warm.

[jim360]

"Islam tells it's adherents that non-muslims (Kaffirs) are worthless and they must never befriend them. Imagine then how much less kaffir women are valued."

How is it misinterpreting you to say that that is (probably/ hopefully) a twisted interpretation of religion?

[chrisgel]

It is not my //twisted interpretation of religion//
If I can find a live copy of this hour long documentary I will of course post the link, but I can assure you that in the interviews conducted with groups of young muslim teenagers it was they who were twisting their religion.
A quote from a muslim reviewer of the documentary
"Perhaps the most engaging of which was that arranged marriages and the implied objectification and commodity of females in Pakistani culture is a factor that can cause some very sick people to believe that grooming young girls is acceptable."

[naomi24]

Jim, //I just said I didn't.//

Sorry I missed that. I said I hadn't read all the posts. However, I would say that the Koran advocates marriage of grown men to children - something that happens in this country - and, as Chris says, it does advise Muslims not to befriend non-Muslims. I really think we should acknowledge that we have a serious problem with the attitude of some – and I emphasise some – Muslim men towards non-Muslim girls – and we ignore it at our peril - or more to the point, at the peril of vulnerable young non-Muslim girls.