Would you or i have gotten off so lightly ?.....

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bazwillrun | 14:00 Fri 09th Mar 2012 | News
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I know you get great joy from believing there is a synical conspiracy to give people in pow special treatment but I think a 12 month community order sounds about right.

I'm pretty sure if you get drunk tonight and give someone a bloody nose you won't be locked up in Pentonville

(Always assuming you don't have a history of violence)
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" give someone a bloody nose "

common assault on the three people and the more serious charge of common assault by beating on one other

you handwringers really do take the biscuit, and you have the cheek to say I think there is a conspiricay, any proof of that or is it yet again just another example your overactive imagination at work .
Yeah I think so.

How many youngsters get into pub fights? Not that many get a prison sentence out of it.
sounds about right for a bar brawl. Fine, compensation, bans, and giving up his job too.
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He certainly sets a good example, considering the Scottish drink problem that we are constantly hearing about !
Nobody was hospitalised, so I think its par for the course.
Rare I agree with Jake, but its true that it would be unlilley anyone who was not a repeat offender would be jailed.

He will also loose his job, or at least be expelled from the labour party and is in the national(if not world) media.For most people this would not happen either. He is also banned from the boozer.

The man has been an idiot whilst under the infulence. He is not the first and wont be the last.
> the Scottish drink problem that we are constantly hearing about

Are we...???
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I agree that the 'sentence' is entirely in-keeping with the crime.

'Gotten' is a perfectly acceptable is not an Americanism, although they have retained usage of it whereas in the UK we seem to have dropped it.
"considering the Scottish drink problem"

They drink Irn Bru...'nuff said!

******* - pleaded guilty to assaullt by beating, given a 12 month vommunity order with 80 hours unpaid work, ordered to pay £100 compensation and £85 costs

******** - please guiltyto asault by beating given 12 month supervision order, ordered to pay £100 comp and £85 costs

****** pleaded guilty to two counts of assault by beating, given a 24 month community order with 300 hours paid work, ordered to pay £2768 comp and £85.00 cost

that three in this weeks court reports similar or not???
*spelling mistakes are my own* :-)

vommunity order.... realiy don't want to think about that to much
£3k etc for a scuffle, Sounds about right.

I think they should organise a charity boxing match between the two! They can sort out there differences under Queensbury and Charity Earn a few quid. Sky can put it on "Fight night"!
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just one of many i could have posted
put up a bottle of wine from £3.75 to £4.20? That would definitely have solved the problem.
I think, baz, before you make any rash assumptions about unduly lenient treatment, you need to have a glance at the Magistrates’ Court sentencing guidelines . Have a look at pages 24-26 of this document:


(although this is labelled a Crown Court document it is used by magistrates when sentencing for Common Assault).

First of all, there is no separate offence as “assault by beating”. Common assault is often referred to as such and the sentencing guidelines are the same. It is not a “more serious” offence than common assault.

You will note that the custody threshold is not reached unless the assault is in “Category 1” (Greater Harm and Higher culpability) and even then custody is not the “starting point” when considering sentencing. Of course we don’t know the full details of the incident as described by the prosecution but from media reports I would suggest that the incident would most likely fit into category 2. Also bear in mind that the sentencing guidelines relate to a first time offender pleading not guilty but found guilty at trial. Mr Joyce pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity and he is entitled to receive considerable credit for that. Bearing in mind that Mr Joyce received a 12 month community order with a curfew requirement as well as a £3k fine, all in all I consider the sentence is about right,

As for comparing what Mr Joyce received with what you or I would have for a similar offence, I would suggest that the only difference is that, as well as the community order, Mr Joyce also received a hefty fine based on his means. It is unusual for a defendant to be fined as well as to be given a community order, so in this respect it could be argued that he was dealt with more harshly.
The only place one is likely to see 'gotten' in standard English is in 'ill-gotten'; otherwise it IS largely now just an American usage. However, it is commonly used in Scottish English, which might be appropriate in the circumstances.

The main 'Scottish drink problem' is the fact that landlords still insist on saying, "Time gentlemen, please!"
A bit unrelated to the question, QM, but I quite agree.

"Would you or I have GOT off so lightly?" is more correct and, I would suggest, more acceptable to most.

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