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Knife crime in London.

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anotheoldgit | 15:39 Mon 05th Mar 2012 | News
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/...gland-london-17255473

The previous questioner asked;

"Do you think Boris or Ken will be Mayor of London after the election"?

Well whoever gets in, which one will address one of the biggest problems in our Capital, that being the escalation of gang stabbings.

With expected visitors from abroad coming to London for the Olympics and the Queen's Diamond jubilee, could this gang problem frighten some away?

What measures should the MET. now take to address this on-going problem?

Have they been too lax in the past?

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Regarding the potential to frighten away foreign visitors

Is the problem in London any worse than in say; Paris, Rome, Berlin, New York?

Anyone got any stats to hand?
Unfortunately AOG the problem is one of our own making, allowing people from "third world" countries with no skills and no education to come and live here and bring their problems and behaviour with them.

The jailing today of the two "witchcraft" people shows what sort of people are coming to live here, and we just seem to keep on letting them in, dragging the country down and down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...gland-london-17255470

My daughter and her boyfriend have just spent a year in Australia and worked all year and never got involved in any crime. When they asked if they could get a longer visa they were told they did not have the skills Australia wanted at the moment so they came back to UK.

So Australia CONTROLS the people it wants in the country, only bringing those in it wants and needs.

We seem to let in any old rubbish, then let them live on benefites for as long as they like, then we all have to read day after day of knife crimes and other crimes committed by these people.

As I have said many times on here, this used to be a great country but between us all we have managed to ruin it, and it will never be the same again.
^^ round of applause^^
How strange !I feel sure the problem was originally put down to having a pinko liberal like Ken in charge and that after Boris' election a new dawn of muscular right wing values was going to make such things a distant memory!

I can't imagine what wen't wrong

Perhaps he was concentrating on bendy busses
Re VHG

London's population has always had a high percentage of immigrants and without any 'controls' on who came in.

I think in 1901 (arguably the peak of Great Britain's 'greatness') the percentage of londoners born overseas was 40%
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Zeuhl

We wasn't around then, the problem is TODAY'S problems.
A little logic Old Git

If someone suggests that a reason for things happening today is something that also occured in the past, one is entitled to test whether the same problems were experienced then and what if any solutions were applied.

Or do you subscribe to the idea of ignoring history so you can repeat its mistakes?
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Zeuhl

/// Or do you subscribe to the idea of ignoring history so you can repeat its mistakes? ///

That is the problem it looks like we have not learnt from our mistakes of the past.

Time we did, and time we did something about it, if it is not already too late.

That's logic.
<<our mistakes of the past>>

which of the above are you referring to?

do you mean the huge, uncontrolled influx of immigrants into London at the end of the 19th century that helped make it the greatest city in the World at the centre of the greatest Empire the world has ever seen?
VHG bit of an assumpition there eight stabbings, how many victims and attackers were british or none british?

I have lived in London for over 50 years married, worked had two children and never been involved in crime. I was born and brought up at the Elephant and Castle so I guess, using your logic South london is better than Australia,

Oh by the way I suggest you look up the fiollowing about your Southern hemisphere utopia the Kings Cross area of Sydney, Triads and Vietnemese heroin gangs. Also if they are so good with foriehners why did Queemsland come to a hairs breath of electing a racist.

Just because you don't see it doesn't men its not there and just because you read about it doesn't mean its everywhere.
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Yes I lived in Australia and there are some very rough areas with some pretty dodgy people.

Also, the place is full of immigrants - i don't know how the Abos put up with them.
I will bite my lip at VHG's comments as I believe his them to be somewhat ill-judged (ouch...bit my lip so hard there, I actually drew blood!)

"Well whoever gets in, which one will address one of the biggest problems in our Capital, that being the escalation of gang stabbings."

Probably neither. I can't think of many policies either have put in place (apart perhaps for the 'Boris bikes') which have made a scrap of difference to my daily life. This is a problem that needs to be tackled by the police, social services, schools, youth and community leaders. The mayor can lend his support and promote community projects, but in terms of getting stuff done - probably best left to those who have a social agenda, rather than a political one.

"With expected visitors from abroad coming to London for the Olympics and the Queen's Diamond jubilee, could this gang problem frighten some away?"

Undoubtably - but it would only frighten away those who are planning to come to London to join gangs and get stabbed. Remember - all the people who are stabbed in gang violence...are in gangs. They aren't tourists, and tourists tend to go to tourist areas, rather than Peckham, Wandsworth or Dalston.

Indians haven't stopped coming to the UK to work/study just because Anuj Bidve was shot in the head (by the way - has anyone actually been arrested for that yet???)

"What measures should the MET. now take to address this on-going problem?"

Have they been too lax in the past?

No, not really. I suppose if you assume that police turn a blind eye to gang violence or that Operation Trident is just a smokescreen for inactivity, then you'd have an argument. However, stop and search is still in operation with a recent 70% rise in stops, with black seven time more likely to be stopped than whites
(cf. http://www.guardian.c...op-and-search-police)
VHG

We seem to let in any old rubbish, then let them live on benefites for as long as they like, then we all have to read day after day of knife crimes and other crimes committed by these people.

Would you like me to present you with some stats about immigrants and the amount of benefits they claim?
SP, Those figures regarding Stop & Search wont be accurate I'm afraid.
If you kept pet rats in a cage and there was overcrowding they would fight amongst each other. In a similar vein London's overcrowded population is going along the same path. Violent gangs are springing up for self preservation.
It seems I am not alone in my thoughts:

http://culturechange....overpop_terrorism.htm
Knife crime in London is is not escalating. There is a problem, but it is being over egged by people such as AOG withe right wing agenda.

// Ch Supt Nick Ephgrave, who works in the London borough of Lambeth, says gangs are not an "epidemic". He describes them as a "stubborn" problem that shows no sign of going away.
But Ephgrave says there are similarities between the UK and the US.
"The culture accompanying these groups is transatlantic. The clothing and music, the attitude to life and the words that are used come from America."//

// Of course, the UK has a long history of gangs, from the Scuttlers in Manchester in Victorian times to the Teddy Boy gangs of the 1950s.

And Gwenton Sloley, a former gang member who now works with young people in the London borough of Hackney, says they are not going anywhere.

"Gangs have been around for centuries, they're a part of youth culture. You're not going to eradicate them." //

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15238377
Ever heard of the Prevention of Crime Act? How about 'offensive weapon"? Well, the Act was passed in 1953 . It was to make it lllegal to carry any weapon in a public place because, up to then, the police were powerless unless it was a gun. It was intended to stop flick knives, bicycle chains, razors and other weapons being carried by the hoodlums infesting our streets: a response to a great amount of violent crime. The Act made it illegal to have anything made or adapted as weapon, or intended by the defendant for such use, so e.g.ordinary household objects could be weapons for this purpose

Nothing new, is there?
I agree with you 110% VHG, keep them out!

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