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Would G D Ls Be Effective ?
GDL = Graduated Driving Licence. (e.g. after passing Driving Test, progress up to full licence is based on experience.)
See link for one point of view (obviously driven by very tragic circumstances), but the item includes some thoughts on how effective GDLs might be.
Let's hear a few AB views.
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[One could also argue for some of the recommended restrictions to also begin to phase in with very elderly drivers, e.g. maximum speed, night driving, etc., but that's a topic for another thread]
See link for one point of view (obviously driven by very tragic circumstances), but the item includes some thoughts on how effective GDLs might be.
Let's hear a few AB views.
https:/
[One could also argue for some of the recommended restrictions to also begin to phase in with very elderly drivers, e.g. maximum speed, night driving, etc., but that's a topic for another thread]
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Wouldn't the "black box" system be better? that allows drivers to continue to gain the all important experience but being monitored at the same time. They also get more realistic insurance.
08:24 Fri 28th Sep 2018
I very much agree with TTT. If fit and able to lean to ride a motorcyle it would be most advantageous in later driving abilities. Once you have ridden a motorcycle you are quickly aware how vulnerable a motorcyclist and pedal cyclists are to other road users. This should,hopefully, make a 4 wheeled driver more aware of other vehicles. I accept not all are able to ride a motorcycle for various reasons. I have taken about twenty driving tests in my driving life,not because of failure but for advancement on both cars,motorcycles,HGVs and PSVs plus other specialist driving techniques. I don't think the standard of driving we now see on our roads can get much worse.
I took my son out for a drive for a check test prior to his driving exam. His instructor said he was ready for the test. He was not and failed twice before obtaining a full licence.
I asked him to show me a 3 point turn. He had never done one and didn't know what I meant. Ditto reversing around a corner keeping close and parallel to the kerb,ditto a hill start. He had no idea of speed awareness braking distances etc etc. He had never heard of the Highway Code and when I explained what it was he told me his instructor advised him to look up on the web and read the sample questions given for the theory test.
I am all for Graduated Driving Licences and at nearly 70 I welcome the requirement ,if it becomes law, to take any further testing deemed necessary.
Having passed an Advanced Driving Course at about 29 years of age having taken several progressive courses from basic I was told that statistically I would be likely to be involved in a RTC within a month.
I was fortunate. It took a while longer than that.
For a 20 year old to say they have not had a RTC then I will say .Good for you but there is plenty of time,hopefully,left for you. So don't get complacent.
I took my son out for a drive for a check test prior to his driving exam. His instructor said he was ready for the test. He was not and failed twice before obtaining a full licence.
I asked him to show me a 3 point turn. He had never done one and didn't know what I meant. Ditto reversing around a corner keeping close and parallel to the kerb,ditto a hill start. He had no idea of speed awareness braking distances etc etc. He had never heard of the Highway Code and when I explained what it was he told me his instructor advised him to look up on the web and read the sample questions given for the theory test.
I am all for Graduated Driving Licences and at nearly 70 I welcome the requirement ,if it becomes law, to take any further testing deemed necessary.
Having passed an Advanced Driving Course at about 29 years of age having taken several progressive courses from basic I was told that statistically I would be likely to be involved in a RTC within a month.
I was fortunate. It took a while longer than that.
For a 20 year old to say they have not had a RTC then I will say .Good for you but there is plenty of time,hopefully,left for you. So don't get complacent.
Three-point turns and reversing round a corner are no longer parts of the test.
Precisely and that is a good thing in your opinion????
That rather helps my point in saying that driving standards,imo,have never been worse.
What is the point of being given a licence that states you are competent to drive when your incapable of executing manoevres that are common everyday practice
No point pleading you were never taught to reverse around a corner after you have mounted the pavement and crushed a push chair is there?
Precisely and that is a good thing in your opinion????
That rather helps my point in saying that driving standards,imo,have never been worse.
What is the point of being given a licence that states you are competent to drive when your incapable of executing manoevres that are common everyday practice
No point pleading you were never taught to reverse around a corner after you have mounted the pavement and crushed a push chair is there?
That's the problem. Because of where I live and the kind of driving I do, I do three point turns on a regular basis. When I was working, I used to both three point turn and reverse around corners on a regular basis because of the kind of streets I did visits in. On the other hand, I never drive on motorways and rarely drive on dual carriageways. Its quite a rural area, and my hazardous driving is all about animals on the roads, agricultural vehicles, blind bends narrow roads with poor surfaces and so on. With many (most) of the roads being unlit, banning night driving at a certain age would also limit my ability to go out in winter.
//They've been left out to allow time for instruction and testing using a sat nav and following directions to get from A to B.
Is crushing a pram whilst reversing round a bend that likely?//
Do you honestly believe that the ability to use a Sat/Nav is more important than learning skills to reduce death on the road and safer driving.
Any fool can learn in their own time how to use Sat/Nav .
I would sooner be a passenger in a car with some one who can handle and control a potential lethal vehicle safely than a driver who is too thick to read a map.
Yes. A reversing vehicle crushing a push chair is very likely. I have attended two such RTCs, to my memory, as a Traffic Officer. Both young children killed.
Is crushing a pram whilst reversing round a bend that likely?//
Do you honestly believe that the ability to use a Sat/Nav is more important than learning skills to reduce death on the road and safer driving.
Any fool can learn in their own time how to use Sat/Nav .
I would sooner be a passenger in a car with some one who can handle and control a potential lethal vehicle safely than a driver who is too thick to read a map.
Yes. A reversing vehicle crushing a push chair is very likely. I have attended two such RTCs, to my memory, as a Traffic Officer. Both young children killed.
//She was travelling fast, but within the speed limit. It was wet.
As she turned a corner, she lost control of her car, and hit a van//
One can only guess. Was this unfortunate lady and others told of "The rules of breaking",how to control loss of traction, how to "off accelerator" as soon as a loss of traction manifests itself, Never touch brakes when loss of traction occurs and which way to steer when it occurs.What to do when a front tyre blows out at 70mph etc etc
I bet new drivers today have never had this subject broached with their instructors and the above example is only one of many different types of collisions.
I appreciate that not all learners have access to use a "skid pan" unless they pay for the use but at least they should be told how to avoid such emergencies.
As she turned a corner, she lost control of her car, and hit a van//
One can only guess. Was this unfortunate lady and others told of "The rules of breaking",how to control loss of traction, how to "off accelerator" as soon as a loss of traction manifests itself, Never touch brakes when loss of traction occurs and which way to steer when it occurs.What to do when a front tyre blows out at 70mph etc etc
I bet new drivers today have never had this subject broached with their instructors and the above example is only one of many different types of collisions.
I appreciate that not all learners have access to use a "skid pan" unless they pay for the use but at least they should be told how to avoid such emergencies.
I had great fun as a teenager. Passed my driving test nine days after my seventeenth birthday.
Used to drive downhill towards a big empty car park when it was full of snow. Slam the brakes on, full lock on, release the footbrake and see how many full circles the car would spin, great fun. ABS has ruined that little avenue of pleasure.
Used to drive downhill towards a big empty car park when it was full of snow. Slam the brakes on, full lock on, release the footbrake and see how many full circles the car would spin, great fun. ABS has ruined that little avenue of pleasure.
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