Markle Miscarriage

[smurfchops]

It is very sad that she suffered a miscarriage, don’t get me wrong, but why oh why do we have to suffer her every day in the news. I thought they both wanted PRIVACY but they cannot wait to get their faces and woes everywhere can they? I wonder if the long drawn out speech of her miscarriage was written by her by the way?

[pixie374]

For some, maybe, Andy.

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // For some, maybe, Andy. //

Of course, I am generalising for the purposes of making a point - but i should make that clear.

[pixie374]

Yes... but I'm not even sure that's general. It's certainly a good idea to make it easier for people to talk about- if they want to. But many don't and wouldn't appreciate being asked.

[pastafreak]

Articles like this allow a woman to read about other women who are experiencing the same pain. It's like a door opening to a place where this kind of loss can be spoken about. It's a shame there is so much criticism because of *who* the author is.

[-SharonA-]

Oooh Corby!!! Yes I did post about Toots. But he is not, was not bemoaning being in the public eye and wishing for privacy!!!

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // Yes... but I'm not even sure that's general. It's certainly a good idea to make it easier for people to talk about- if they want to. But many don't and wouldn't appreciate being asked. //

I take your point, but just a simple "How are you?" may get a bereaved mother talking, rather than saying nothing. The lady in question could have said "Fine, thanks." to me, but she needed to talk, and I was happy to listen, and pleased I had given her the opportunity.

I think that is the crux of the point I wanted to make - give the mother a chance to speak, it's up to her if she wishes to take it or not.

[andy-hughes]

Sharon - // Oooh Corby!!! Yes I did post about Toots. But he is not, was not bemoaning being in the public eye and wishing for privacy!!! //

I'm not sure that wishing for privacy, and speaking on issues you feel are important are mutually exclusive.

I believe the point the Duke and Duchess made is that they want privacy in their lives the same as anyone else, which is their right.

That does not mean that they are immune from attention because of who they are, and they accept that, because the upside for them is being able to draw attention to issues they believe to be important.

I believe they often go about that in a way that is counter-productive, but I believe that they are probably badly advised about the format and presentation of those messages.

But being famous does not mean you forfeit a right to a life away from press intrusion - and I think they are as entitled to that as anyone else.

If they appear 'on stage', then that is their choice - but being hounded and photographed 24/7 is not their choice and they are right to request that it stops.

[pastafreak]

Being constantly hassled by the media, and disliking it, does not mean a person in the public eye can't *willingly * discuss something relevant and not often spoken about. It's not all or nothing.

[andy-hughes]

pastafreak - // Being constantly hassled by the media, and disliking it, does not mean a person in the public eye can't *willingly * discuss something relevant and not often spoken about. It's not all or nothing. //

Absolutely.

Sadly, the fame and high profile that allows someone to make a far-reaching observation is then used as a stick to beat them with, as though being famous and rich means you can't have a view, and express it, because being rich and famous means your views no longer matter.

[Chinajan]

andy-hughes I wish you wouldn't try to mansplain what women feel. It's not the first time. You don't know what women feel.

Based upon what one woman told you, you come out with:

// Not initially, and of course they should not, but the avoidance of the subject makes them feel ashamed, as though it is their fault. //

It may be true of that woman but I don't believe it to be the case that the majority of women feel any 'shame' whatsoever. Plenty of other very difficult emotions, but not shame.

[THECORBYLOON]

SHARON, if someone wants privacy, does that not mean it's up to that person what he or she reveals?

[andy-hughes]

Chinajan - andy-hughes I wish you wouldn't try to mansplain what women feel. It's not the first time. You don't know what women feel. //

I wish you wouldn't be so offensive, but hey, we can't all have what we want can we?

// Based upon what one woman told you, you come out with:

// Not initially, and of course they should not, but the avoidance of the subject makes them feel ashamed, as though it is their fault. //

Obviously you have no idea whatsoever what my observation is based on, but it doesn;t stop you 'womansplaning' how I arrive at the points | make.

So to be clear, I used that particular instance to make the same point the duchess is making.

// It may be true of that woman but I don't believe it to be the case that the majority of women feel any 'shame' whatsoever. Plenty of other very difficult emotions, but not shame. //

You seem to have no issue in dismissing what I say on the basis of an inaccurate assumption about why I am saying - so where do you get off speaking for 'the majority of women' as you do in your post?

I am entitled to express a view, as are you, and I am not 'mansplaining' to use your ridiculous meaningless expression, and if you can't respond without being patronising, maybe you shouldn't be speaking out on behalf of the majority of your gender, without any qualification, apart from being one of them.

[-SharonA-]

Corby, it seems to me Meghan wants both.

[pastafreak]

And why can't she?

[THECORBYLOON]

Why should she not be able to disclose as much or as little as she wants?

[andy-hughes]

pastafreak - // And why can't she? //

Absolutely - as I pointed out.

We don't live in a world where, having reached a certain apparently pre-determined level of wealth and/or fame, you are no longer able to speak about about something you care about, because your wealth and/or fame means that the entitlement available to everyone else is a door closed off to you.

If you open the door anyway, then you run the risk of your views being scorned on the apparent basis that your wealth and/or fame means that you clearly no longer think and feel like a normal human being, so your views clearly have no merit, and should be kept to yourself at all times.

[-SharonA-]

It is up to her of course, but does she or does she not want privacy??!!

[emmie]

what a sad post, some can't seem to wait to put the boot into Meghan, no matter her status she is a woman first and foremost who has lost a child. I think that some of the comments here are reprehensible.

[Chinajan]

The term 'mansplaining' is not meaningless, as I'm sure you know very well, and I don't need to 'patronise' you by defining it.

My post was in fact in response to your patronising assertions.

[andy-hughes]

Chinajam - // The term 'mansplaining' is not meaningless, as I'm sure you know very well, and I don't need to 'patronise' you by defining it. //

Then please don't.

// My post was in fact in response to your patronising assertions. //

As was mine to you - I did not infer that I was speaking 'for all women', or indeed any women - but you clearly did in your post.

Now who is being patronising, or is 'womansplaining' acceptable?

Unless of course, you were simply expressing your view - as was I.