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susanxx | 23:58 Wed 13th Jan 2021 | News
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I am currently giving support to a friend and neighbour who has had a stroke. Her nephew who has a partner and 4 children lives about 6 miles away and insists he is part of her support bubble and intends to visit with the entire entourage. I always wear a mask when I help yet he and his family do not. I do not believe he can be in her bubble, am right?
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I think you are right , however it's difficult to lay the law down as he is family.

Try gentle persuasion and above all keep yourself safe.
If she sticks to the rules about one household she can choose to bubble with you or with her nephew and family household. Theres no laws on masks but it makes sense. Its allso not a good idea for all to visit, she should just use nephew
It's up to your friend which bubble she's in, you'll have to ask her which she wants to be in.
The government defines a support bubbles as a “network which links two households”.
However, it is not the case that any two households can form a support bubble.
The government is careful to say: “You have to meet certain eligibility rules to form a support bubble.
“This means not everyone will be able to form a support bubble.”
If you live by yourself, you’re allowed to form a support bubble with another household.
Even if carers visit you to provide support but you still live alone, you can form a support bubble.
“However, if you form a support bubble, it is best if this is with a household who live locally. This will help prevent the virus spreading from an area where more people are infected.”



Do you have to be there at the same time?
dont interfere with the fambly visit
DO interfere with your own visiting - like you may not wish to do it
or you may
or give him his cuppa in a tin mug attached to a bargepole
froo a window

his family visits are impt to him
I could be wrong but I don’t think they are all allowed to visit. I think even in your support bubble which links two households it still limits how many you can see at a time. As I said I could be wrong but am sure that’s what I read.
Whatever the rules its foolish to have a whole family visiting. Chris Witty would say no no no. Any of them could have it without realising and could infect her.
Is she in line to have the vaccinne soon? If so , its sensibler to wait
you are correct, tell them if they visit you can no longer care for your neighbour and they will have to make their own arrangements. It's selfish rissoles like this that are filling the hospitals.
...In fact if ever there was a case for dobbing people in this is it. Warn them in advance, if they still insist tell the authorities when they are arriving.
As I understand it, her nephew's entire household can form a bubble with her. Stupid but legal. However, if they bubble with her, that means that she cannot also be bubbled with you.
I stand corrected - I’ve just checked GOV website and it says you can form a support bubble with a household of any size IF you live alone. But they cannot be in any other bubble.
But I agree with TTT - it would be madness to allow them to all visit at the same time!
//...In fact if ever there was a case for dobbing people in this is it. Warn them in advance, if they still insist tell the authorities when they are arriving.//

That’s not really a good idea, Tora. First of all, as diddly points out, the size of the “bubble” is immaterial. The only stipulations are that household #1 must be either a person on their own or a single adult with children. The other (household #2) can be of any size. Provided all the adults in H2 agree the single person (and children if they have any) can visit them and all the people in H1 can visit all the people in H2. But more than that, if (in bold capitals underlined three times) the police happened to pay a visit they would quiz susan’s neighbour about her bubble arrangements. If they established she was “bubbling” with both her nephew’s clan and susan they may decide that she was breaking the law. I imagine this would be an instance where “advice” might be given (unless she lives in Derbyshire) but this is obviously aggravation she could do without. That said, there is an exception to the prevention of “gatherings” which says:

“to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person or a person who has a disability, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006;”

Whether that exception would apply to a gathering of a couple and four kids – and quite how much “care and assistance” that group might give to a vulnerable person is, I suppose, arguable. But it could certainly apply to susan meaning she can visit as well as the nephew and his brood. I must say I haven’t looked into this in much depth.

But we’re back to the same debate: the legislation allows for such activities. The “bubble” idea was introduced soon after lockdown 1 began. It was realised that people who lived alone – especially those who had been told to “shield” – would not see a living soul from one week’s end to the next. When it was obvious that the initial “three week” lockdown would be extended for considerably longer than that, welfare groups (and others who were blessed with half a brain) realised that this was not a very desirable state of affairs so the bubble concept was born. So you’re allowed to do it. But it is immediately confused by advice or guidance which seems to place restrictions on it. That’s all well and good but in some instances the “advice” is being taken as law when it is not. There seems to be a blurring of law and guidance with just about every aspect of this malarky and it’s leaving people confused and, in some cases, being unlawfully threatened with sanctions.
TTT stands for tell Tale Tot?
what a wuss
The latest guidance says that you can continue to leave the house to provide essential care to someone who is vulnerable. However you must be careful to take every precaution possible, such as wearing a face covering and taking stringent hygiene measures, without even having formed a bubble.

The family should really be staying at home, but perhaps you should remove yourself from the "bubble" and tell them that they will need to take over the ongoing support role.
As zacs C&P //Even if carers visit you to provide support but you still live alone, you can form a support bubble.//

She is entitled to see a household of her family if she likes. Whether it is a "good idea" is her choice. Is she happy with family providing her care?
Either way, if you are not happy with it, you should back out and let someone else take over.
//The family should really be staying at home, but perhaps you should remove yourself from the "bubble"//

Which illustrates my point about confusion.

Susan cannot form a bubble if the nephew and co. have (and vice versa). Single people can only form one bubble and that is restricted to the single person's household and one other household. But she can provide "care and assistance" under the exception I mentioned.
NJ, wouldn't Susan count as a carer and therefore the following apply:
'Even if carers visit you to provide support but you still live alone, you can form a support bubble.'
It depends whether the term carer is defined and what the definition is. Does it mean someone who pops in occasionally to help a friend or does it mean someone who gets a carers allowance
That's what I'm thinking, zacs... we look after many people, as carers. Some see nobody else, and others see relatives as part of a bubble.

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