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Banning the Burka would be rather un-British?
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At last the immigration minister has finally spoken out to say "the banning of the Burka would be rather un-British”
Excuse me isn't the wearing of the Burka 'RATHER UN-BRITISH'
/// Farooq Murad the new head of the Muslim Council of Britain (pointed to the spread of mosques and sharia, or Islamic law, as positive signs of the greater freedom Muslims are given in this country.///
/// He warned that any moves to restrict the expression of Islam by banning the veil or blocking the building of minarets would alienate the Muslim community and threaten social cohesion. ///
Once again we have been warned by the Muslims.
Only last week a witness took the stand at Southwark Crown Court, dressed in this garb with only her eyes showing, how can this be allowed?
http://tinyurl.com/3yqolup
At last the immigration minister has finally spoken out to say "the banning of the Burka would be rather un-British”
Excuse me isn't the wearing of the Burka 'RATHER UN-BRITISH'
/// Farooq Murad the new head of the Muslim Council of Britain (pointed to the spread of mosques and sharia, or Islamic law, as positive signs of the greater freedom Muslims are given in this country.///
/// He warned that any moves to restrict the expression of Islam by banning the veil or blocking the building of minarets would alienate the Muslim community and threaten social cohesion. ///
Once again we have been warned by the Muslims.
Only last week a witness took the stand at Southwark Crown Court, dressed in this garb with only her eyes showing, how can this be allowed?
http://tinyurl.com/3yqolup
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The denial of free expression, the denial of free religious expression, whether you like it or not, is decidedly un-British.
A ban stipulates that you can't win the argument so we'll ban it anyway.
All Faroq Murad has said is that if you curtail the religious and personal free expressions that everyone else takes for granted then there could be friction.
He talks about cohesion, not war, not bombs, not violence.
A ban on the burka is a fascist law, because it implies that the law is an instrument of the expression of state power, and that obeying the law is matter of blind obedience to the detriment of reason or conscience.
I ask anyone, would you obey a law that goes against your conscience?
A ban stipulates that you can't win the argument so we'll ban it anyway.
All Faroq Murad has said is that if you curtail the religious and personal free expressions that everyone else takes for granted then there could be friction.
He talks about cohesion, not war, not bombs, not violence.
A ban on the burka is a fascist law, because it implies that the law is an instrument of the expression of state power, and that obeying the law is matter of blind obedience to the detriment of reason or conscience.
I ask anyone, would you obey a law that goes against your conscience?
it's time politicians asked the people and not assume they not how the british people feel. The Muslim community seems rather good at alienating themselves by wanting these islands to grant them exemption from our laws and let them live by their own rule - very very un British I think. Live here by all means but 1 set of rules and laws for all is the only way forward. And if that's not for you then....jog on!!!
"Freedom to wear whatever you like"?
Not true. I'm pretty sure that certain risqué T-shirts, Nazi uniforms, KKK outfits and overly revealing outfits would not be tolerated in public.
"I ask anyone, would you obey a law that goes against your conscience?"
Are you advocating that we should pick and choose which laws to obey. I don't condone my taxes being used to support illegal wars, corrupt MPs etc etc. Is it OK not to pay tax then?
Not true. I'm pretty sure that certain risqué T-shirts, Nazi uniforms, KKK outfits and overly revealing outfits would not be tolerated in public.
"I ask anyone, would you obey a law that goes against your conscience?"
Are you advocating that we should pick and choose which laws to obey. I don't condone my taxes being used to support illegal wars, corrupt MPs etc etc. Is it OK not to pay tax then?
I will agree to feeling intimidated by the Burka I suppose it is because as humans we are so used to judging peoples reaction by facial expression that when that is taken away we are a bit bewidered. I have travelled in Muslim countries and this is not a religious dress this is a dress of choice or country law. As I understand it the Koran does not demand this from women and they are free to choose not wear it. As such, a lot of the arguments for the Burka are washed away. Free will to wear what we choose does not come into it. We are not free to wear anything we like in this country. If you walked down the street naked you would soon be asked to cover up as you were causing offence. what would happen if you chose to walk down the street in a white sheet and white pointy hat!! I am sure that would not be tolerated either and nor should it be, so why do we have to allow people to wear the burka. If they are wearing it because of modesty what does that say about the way the women think of men? If they are wearing it merely to make a religous statement then we do not have to allow it . I for one would vote to have it abolished in public places.
"the denial of free religious expression, whether you like it or not, is decidedly un-British."
Since when? I am atheist but I make no mistake that this has historically been an establishmentarian protestant country where adherence to Catholicism hasn't been tolerated, let alone to other faiths.
Secondly, religious conviction is not a licence to do whatever one pleases. Stoning women to death because they say they have been raped, for example, is not part of the British way of life and would not be tolerated.
Since when? I am atheist but I make no mistake that this has historically been an establishmentarian protestant country where adherence to Catholicism hasn't been tolerated, let alone to other faiths.
Secondly, religious conviction is not a licence to do whatever one pleases. Stoning women to death because they say they have been raped, for example, is not part of the British way of life and would not be tolerated.
Giving in to Muslims have now come back to haunt us. It was reported only today that blind people are being chucked off buses or denied taxis because their religion forbids the contact with dogs. I wonder if the driver was sacked? No of course not, he was taken into the office to explain our customs but we quite understand their consternation.
I have read the Koran and the Hadith and in neither book does it say that anyone should cover the face or any part of the head . Which means neither a veil or even a head scarf are prescribed.
What the holy books do say is that men and women should dress modestly. That was 1500 years ago, since then it has been the clerics who have interpreted the word ' modestly ' to mean what they wanted it to mean . Which in turn increased their power over the individual .
This is not restricted to Islam all religions do the same thing . Religion gives power to the clerics over all their believers.
What the holy books do say is that men and women should dress modestly. That was 1500 years ago, since then it has been the clerics who have interpreted the word ' modestly ' to mean what they wanted it to mean . Which in turn increased their power over the individual .
This is not restricted to Islam all religions do the same thing . Religion gives power to the clerics over all their believers.
Modeller has got it exactly correct.
There is no passage in the Koran or the Hadiths that dictates that women should wear full face and boy coverings. Therefore, proclaiming that the wearing of the Burka is a religious necessity is simply untrue.
We live in a society where the wearing of a mask is considered impolite and 'bad-form' – it hinders communication (as demonstrated by the teacher who attended an interview without a face covering, subsequently attempted to teach her class wearing a face covering and who was then fired for doing so*), it is detrimental to law enforcement and it gives the impression that you have something to hide, ie. it spreads suspicion and therefore threatens social cohesion.
None of these characteristics confirms to the idea of British 'fair play'.
Those who argue that a ban is 'un-British' must be also understand that to be British is to play fair in the first place. Muslims who insist on wearing the Burka or who force others to wear the Burka are not being British in the slightest – they're being deliberately un-British and are either being hoodwinked or hoodwinking others into thinking that there is a religious necessity to wear this overt demonstration of the subjugation of women.
Emmeline Pankhurst must be turning in her grave.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aishah_Azmi
There is no passage in the Koran or the Hadiths that dictates that women should wear full face and boy coverings. Therefore, proclaiming that the wearing of the Burka is a religious necessity is simply untrue.
We live in a society where the wearing of a mask is considered impolite and 'bad-form' – it hinders communication (as demonstrated by the teacher who attended an interview without a face covering, subsequently attempted to teach her class wearing a face covering and who was then fired for doing so*), it is detrimental to law enforcement and it gives the impression that you have something to hide, ie. it spreads suspicion and therefore threatens social cohesion.
None of these characteristics confirms to the idea of British 'fair play'.
Those who argue that a ban is 'un-British' must be also understand that to be British is to play fair in the first place. Muslims who insist on wearing the Burka or who force others to wear the Burka are not being British in the slightest – they're being deliberately un-British and are either being hoodwinked or hoodwinking others into thinking that there is a religious necessity to wear this overt demonstration of the subjugation of women.
Emmeline Pankhurst must be turning in her grave.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aishah_Azmi
Hmmm.......what is British?...If you can define British then you may have an argument.I know some British men who tell their wives and girlfriends what to wear and not wear....Is there a British way of life?..Moral code?..Sense of fair play?...I think all of these things went south years ago because 'liberal' thinking was diluted and b&stardised to the point of stupidity.We are reaping what we allowed athers to sew on our behalf without questioning the motives..
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