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Excellent CPG Grey video
" Why the UK Election Result is the Worst in History "
Worth a few minutes of your time, and your comments would be appreciated.
" Why the UK Election Result is the Worst in History "
Worth a few minutes of your time, and your comments would be appreciated.
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Saw it a while ago. It pretty much echoes everything I've said about the result, and previous results, here on AB. I expect that few ABers will pay any more attention from CGP's version either.
With the Tories set also to gerrymander seat boundaries a bit (in fairness, this would mostly redress equivalent gerrymandering that has had things heavily in Labour's favour), the imbalance against minor parties is only set to get worse in future. But why would the Tories ever want to change this?
With the Tories set also to gerrymander seat boundaries a bit (in fairness, this would mostly redress equivalent gerrymandering that has had things heavily in Labour's favour), the imbalance against minor parties is only set to get worse in future. But why would the Tories ever want to change this?
so some PR obsessed septic with a spread sheet has produced some irrelevant numbers! PMSL did he look at their own system? FPTP ain't perfect but it's better than all of the alternatives at producing a government. I'd rather have the opposition than some luke warm stagnated buddy system with paralysis.
Actually, TTT, he has looked at their own system. Several times. And rubbished/ trashed that one too.
CGP Grey's videos on electoral systems go a long way back, at least in internet terms, and he isn't the only person following politics who can see how broken the FPTP system is. Whether or not others are better is rather harder to say, as many of the better ideas don't really get proper testing. But seriously, TTT, why not do at least a little research into someone's previous publications for a change?
CGP Grey's videos on electoral systems go a long way back, at least in internet terms, and he isn't the only person following politics who can see how broken the FPTP system is. Whether or not others are better is rather harder to say, as many of the better ideas don't really get proper testing. But seriously, TTT, why not do at least a little research into someone's previous publications for a change?
Incidentally, I'd argue that the worst election result in modern history is probably either 1983 (due to the horrific SDP-Lib. v. Labour disparity of 23/209 seats when both got roughly the same number of votes), or 1997, that while the Tories deserved to lose and Labour to win vastly exaggerated the degree of difference, setting up an effectively unassailable majority and locking Labour in power for two election cycles pretty much by default (and notably, too, the 2001 election had a stupidly low,
yes jackdaw but the number of votes overall is irrelevant.
jim360; " why not do at least a little research into someone's previous publications for a change? " - no need to look at publications the subject was well over centuries ago, there is nothing new, FPTP or some variation on PR, that's all there is.
jim360; " why not do at least a little research into someone's previous publications for a change? " - no need to look at publications the subject was well over centuries ago, there is nothing new, FPTP or some variation on PR, that's all there is.
Deary me, TTT, you do like to keep your preconceptions that fly in the face of reality, don't you?
You've just been shown up to be exactly wrong about CGP Grey having criticised, after all, the US electoral system -- a point I note you haven't even bothered to address -- and you are equally wrong in your lazy definition of electoral systems as divided into FPTP and anything else being PR. This is complete nonsense. You have overlooked at least one further branch, that is not PR and not FPTP, known as preferential voting systems, that are not proportional and not, strictly, First-past-the-post either. Do some reading on a topic that you only think you know something about.
You've just been shown up to be exactly wrong about CGP Grey having criticised, after all, the US electoral system -- a point I note you haven't even bothered to address -- and you are equally wrong in your lazy definition of electoral systems as divided into FPTP and anything else being PR. This is complete nonsense. You have overlooked at least one further branch, that is not PR and not FPTP, known as preferential voting systems, that are not proportional and not, strictly, First-past-the-post either. Do some reading on a topic that you only think you know something about.
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There are too many to count. Most notably, the alternative vote, but I daresay most people who don't actually understand what PR is would call that PR, despite supporters of PR recognising that it is not.
Also you have the Borda Count Method, or ranked pairs, or the Schulze method, or a whole number of "Cardinal voting systems (ie scoring each candidate on some scale), etc etc. Read on and you might find one you actually like -- or none, of course, as is your choice, but you cannot pretend that there is only FPTP against different shades of PR.
Also you have the Borda Count Method, or ranked pairs, or the Schulze method, or a whole number of "Cardinal voting systems (ie scoring each candidate on some scale), etc etc. Read on and you might find one you actually like -- or none, of course, as is your choice, but you cannot pretend that there is only FPTP against different shades of PR.
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