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Bible Prophecies
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The Bible is full of prophecies, and those dealing with the end times describe with uncanny accuracy events in our present day world.
This cannot be mere coincidence.
Ignoring it must be a choice to indulge a personal bias.
This cannot be mere coincidence.
Ignoring it must be a choice to indulge a personal bias.
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Naomi....Firstly i apologise for my tardiness in responding to your question regarding proof that St.John the Evangelist was present during the trial of Jesus.
Of course I cannot give you "proof" of something that occurred some two thousand years ago,as I was not present at that time. I take my belief from the Gospel of St. John which is a pretty full account of the happenings around that time.
Therein is the difference between you who needs proof and myself who has faith.We are all different and I certainly have no wish to try to convert you to my way of thinking. ( I sometimes have problems keeping myself on the path that I have chosen.)
Unlike others on this site I rarely enter religious discussions and only do so when I feel that wild and inaccurate statements are being entered,which I have to try to correct. This last comment is not directed at you or your atheistic views,but is more often directed at the so called religious posters who post absolute rubbish,and who I am sure chase people away from belief. They are doing your job for you,and I am sure we all know to whom I am referring.
In closing I can really do no better Christ's words when He re-appeared again,in St.John 20:29. " Because thou hast seen me,thou hast believed. Blessed are they who have not seen,and yet believed "
Of course I cannot give you "proof" of something that occurred some two thousand years ago,as I was not present at that time. I take my belief from the Gospel of St. John which is a pretty full account of the happenings around that time.
Therein is the difference between you who needs proof and myself who has faith.We are all different and I certainly have no wish to try to convert you to my way of thinking. ( I sometimes have problems keeping myself on the path that I have chosen.)
Unlike others on this site I rarely enter religious discussions and only do so when I feel that wild and inaccurate statements are being entered,which I have to try to correct. This last comment is not directed at you or your atheistic views,but is more often directed at the so called religious posters who post absolute rubbish,and who I am sure chase people away from belief. They are doing your job for you,and I am sure we all know to whom I am referring.
In closing I can really do no better Christ's words when He re-appeared again,in St.John 20:29. " Because thou hast seen me,thou hast believed. Blessed are they who have not seen,and yet believed "
^ At least I now know how you've arrived at your erroneous conclusion. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. Much appreciated.
That being said, I disagree completely with your assertion. It really doesn't matter where the the word, "prophesy" comes from originally. Whether it's from Greek, Latin, Roman, Sanskrit, Persian, Arabic, etc. It matters not one jot what the derivation of the word is.
What does matter is the meaning given to it and understood from its use at the time it was being used. What is patently clear is that the word "prophesy" in biblical times meant precisely what it does today - a prediction about what the future will hold.
That being said, I disagree completely with your assertion. It really doesn't matter where the the word, "prophesy" comes from originally. Whether it's from Greek, Latin, Roman, Sanskrit, Persian, Arabic, etc. It matters not one jot what the derivation of the word is.
What does matter is the meaning given to it and understood from its use at the time it was being used. What is patently clear is that the word "prophesy" in biblical times meant precisely what it does today - a prediction about what the future will hold.
I must disagree with you there. If I tell you that something will happen if you don't do such and such, that is not necessarily clairvoyance, merely giving you the benefit of my own knowledge. Let me tell you a story.
A friend of mine, a priest, in his first year at university, saw on the notice board, " Dr x's lecture this afternoon on prophecy is postponed due to unforeseen circumstances. He wrote on the notice, "Should have seen that coming."
The next morning a note was slipped under his door which read, "Dear Mr y, if you care to attend my rearranged lecture you will find out why you are so terribly wrong."
A friend of mine, a priest, in his first year at university, saw on the notice board, " Dr x's lecture this afternoon on prophecy is postponed due to unforeseen circumstances. He wrote on the notice, "Should have seen that coming."
The next morning a note was slipped under his door which read, "Dear Mr y, if you care to attend my rearranged lecture you will find out why you are so terribly wrong."
Jackdaw33 - "... If I tell you that something will happen if you don't do such and such, that is not necessarily clairvoyance..."
I never said it was. Clairvoyance has never been discussed in this thread.
You're flying off at a tangent here. Please allow me to drag you back to the point. You claimed that the word "prophesy" in biblical times didn't mean the same thing that it does today. I argued that it does. The meaning hasn't changed in over 2000 years.
Your story, interesting and amusing though it is, doesn't change this fact one iota.
I never said it was. Clairvoyance has never been discussed in this thread.
You're flying off at a tangent here. Please allow me to drag you back to the point. You claimed that the word "prophesy" in biblical times didn't mean the same thing that it does today. I argued that it does. The meaning hasn't changed in over 2000 years.
Your story, interesting and amusing though it is, doesn't change this fact one iota.
Your knowledge of biblical times and the etymology and semantics associated therewith are clearly vastly greater than mine, so I bow to your superior knowledge and gracefully withdraw.
Can I ask you a personal question? Are you resident in the UK? I ask this only because you tend to post only in the wee small hours of the morning, when only insomniacs, burglars and prostitutes are active here. For the avoidance of doubt, I am in the first category.
Can I ask you a personal question? Are you resident in the UK? I ask this only because you tend to post only in the wee small hours of the morning, when only insomniacs, burglars and prostitutes are active here. For the avoidance of doubt, I am in the first category.
Jackdaw33 -
I am in the UK. I can assure you that I am not a burglar. Nor am I a prostitute. I don't think I'd make very much money if I were.
With regards to the insomnia thing, sleep and I and not friends. I love it but it doesn't love me back I'm afraid. The hours I post are part insomnia and part convenience. At this time of the night, the house is quiet and all my loved ones are asleep. The TV is off and there are no interruptions to my thought processes. It's an annoying / convenient situation. I'm not sure how I feel about it.
Thank you for answering my question. You don't know how much I appreciate it. Many people on AB make big, bold assertions and then when challenged, either resort to lies or silence. You are clearly not in that category.
Thank you.
I am in the UK. I can assure you that I am not a burglar. Nor am I a prostitute. I don't think I'd make very much money if I were.
With regards to the insomnia thing, sleep and I and not friends. I love it but it doesn't love me back I'm afraid. The hours I post are part insomnia and part convenience. At this time of the night, the house is quiet and all my loved ones are asleep. The TV is off and there are no interruptions to my thought processes. It's an annoying / convenient situation. I'm not sure how I feel about it.
Thank you for answering my question. You don't know how much I appreciate it. Many people on AB make big, bold assertions and then when challenged, either resort to lies or silence. You are clearly not in that category.
Thank you.
@SirOracle
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If you are looking for "certainty" Jomifl the last place that I would be looking would be Wiki.
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Check the edit history on any contentious page. Have you seen how quickly vandalism is repaired?
Do you know how many thousand editors & contributors they have, not to mention how obsessive they all are at pruning out space-wasting entries (server storage is so cheap I have to wonder why this still happens, other than quality control).
//More "nutters"write articles in it than anyone else.//
If the typical prophet was just a bloke in the street, shouting the odds, what stopped them from being rated as "nutters" by passers-by? What convinced spectators that what came out of their mouths was from God and not just gubbins, from the inner workings of their own - possibly deranged - mind?
(Life of Brian has a sequence with street prophets, which I'm reminded of but I doubt anyone would think it worthy of a YouTube upload).
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If you are looking for "certainty" Jomifl the last place that I would be looking would be Wiki.
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Check the edit history on any contentious page. Have you seen how quickly vandalism is repaired?
Do you know how many thousand editors & contributors they have, not to mention how obsessive they all are at pruning out space-wasting entries (server storage is so cheap I have to wonder why this still happens, other than quality control).
//More "nutters"write articles in it than anyone else.//
If the typical prophet was just a bloke in the street, shouting the odds, what stopped them from being rated as "nutters" by passers-by? What convinced spectators that what came out of their mouths was from God and not just gubbins, from the inner workings of their own - possibly deranged - mind?
(Life of Brian has a sequence with street prophets, which I'm reminded of but I doubt anyone would think it worthy of a YouTube upload).
