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"Would parents have the right to euthanise their children under 16 if they were terminally ill (or hadn't tidied their rooms?) " The second part of that is just silly I am for a legal framework precisely because it does happen in hospitals and homes every day by the back door. What this means is that I can't choose but that others can choose for me and by means that I...
12:40 Wed 27th May 2015
Yep, I completely see and get that Clanad (and Svejk), but I still don't see what's wrong with a law that gives me choice over my own life if I so desire that. What's wrong with having some choice and dignity in the matter, for those who want it? We all have to die ... failing to provide a choice of how merely prolongs the inevitable, or (like abortion pre that law) forces people into unpleasant action or a visit abroad.
The arguments against the legalisation of euthanasia are, simply viewed, of two kinds, Ellipsis: firstly that it's wrong in principle (probably Clanad's position), and secondly that it may have undesirable consequences (argued by Svejk and others - and me for that matter - who think we should evaluate any new legislation by trying to consider its likely, or possible outcomes rather than merely its intentions. I doubt that the majority of "women's right to choose" campaigners back in the sixties INTENDED legal abortion to end up as the lazy or stupid woman's birth control.
I can understand why people who are against euthanasia in principle, such as Clanad, would not want a law that allowed it in any circumstances.

But when it comes your more pragmatic viewpoint, v_e, what's your problem with you being provided an opt-out (or me an opt-in)? What is wrong with personal choice in this matter?

I do not wish to force assisted suicide onto you, if you don't want it. Likewise, I do not wish prolonged living to be forced onto me, if I don't want it.

I doubt the lawmakers of the country would agree with you that they couldn't frame a law. It's not really a great reason for not making a law - that it would be too difficult or have unforeseen consequences. You might say the same about any law.
"Woof... everything... absolutely everything that is present in the construct of a human at the time of his/her death is there at the instant of conception. The only thing that changes is quantity and how the two differ in looks... no?"

Well I am not sure that is true Clanad. I would say that a fertilised human egg is a potential human.
you cannot separate it elipsis, follow this path and you follow where the Dutch are. An ever widening power for doctors to euthantise. If you want to die fine, find a way but if you use the law you sentence many others to death in your wake. The Dutch are generally a liberal Nation but at the risk of invoking Godwins law they follow a very dangerous path on this that I am sure was not forseen by all those with good intentions who started down this road.
This is not some minor bone of contention, as the result of the status quo is a sentence of years and years of miserable existence on each of many thousands people who would rather not. Sane, rational people should be allowed choice in this matter - a better choice than the current ones of living a miserable life, topping themselves nastily or going abroad for something more dignified. We treat animals better.
Ab Editor, might be a good one for a vote?
Legalise it with safeguards.

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