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Australia's Stance On Immigrants Arriving By Boat
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Australia are refusing to accept immigrants arriving in rickety boats. I have read two articles on this but I am blowed if I can find the second one.
Anyway, since they started giving them the option of settling in Papua New Guinea, boats have miraculously stopped heading to Australia.
Should European countries adopt this policy?
What are your thoughts on the subject?
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Anyway, since they started giving them the option of settling in Papua New Guinea, boats have miraculously stopped heading to Australia.
Should European countries adopt this policy?
What are your thoughts on the subject?
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Not from me Mrs O, I sick of hearing about these bloody people expecting the world to help them with open arms.
19:52 Tue 21st Apr 2015
All this concern shown towards some who are prepared to risks their own lives as well as their family's lives.
Pity the same concern isn't shown towards our own people.
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Pity the same concern isn't shown towards our own people.
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Just to add:
"Plenty of room in Falklands.
I hope this was a joke. Having visited the islands (long before they became "famous") on my way somewhere farther south I can attest to the fact that there is plenty of room.
Whether the migrants would be happy there (and I can hazard a guess that they most certainly would not) is not the point. Infrastructure and services on the islands just about cope with the numbers there (under 3,000). But more importantly why on earth this invasion of foreigners should be foisted upon a group of people who are more supportive of the UK and its values than just about any other group of 3,000 people anywhere on earth is a little hard to fathom.
"Plenty of room in Falklands.
I hope this was a joke. Having visited the islands (long before they became "famous") on my way somewhere farther south I can attest to the fact that there is plenty of room.
Whether the migrants would be happy there (and I can hazard a guess that they most certainly would not) is not the point. Infrastructure and services on the islands just about cope with the numbers there (under 3,000). But more importantly why on earth this invasion of foreigners should be foisted upon a group of people who are more supportive of the UK and its values than just about any other group of 3,000 people anywhere on earth is a little hard to fathom.
I agree with you NewJudge. I also disagree with any Scottish island being suitable.
I was watching the news last night. The reporter interviewed one of the survivors from one of the latest boat arrivals. When she was asked where she wanted to go (and I bet this is no surprise to anyone reading this) she said "London. I know they will look after me there."
I was watching the news last night. The reporter interviewed one of the survivors from one of the latest boat arrivals. When she was asked where she wanted to go (and I bet this is no surprise to anyone reading this) she said "London. I know they will look after me there."
Mrs O
I watched a news story last night where a reporter was touring an immigrant settlement camp in Italy.It was formerly a US married quarters base set in an orange grove.I was waiting for the question ,"where would your final destination likely to be" but I guess the reporter (British) was briefed not to ask that one . :-(
I watched a news story last night where a reporter was touring an immigrant settlement camp in Italy.It was formerly a US married quarters base set in an orange grove.I was waiting for the question ,"where would your final destination likely to be" but I guess the reporter (British) was briefed not to ask that one . :-(
New Judge> "If European governments feel pangs of morality in all of this they might think of the morality of allowing the continent to be invaded. "...
"The fact is that all politicians in all European nations are so obsessed with curing the rest of the world of all its ills that they have lost sight of the fact that their primary responsibility lies with ensuring the well being of their constituents."
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were unable to stop the 'invaders' on 'moral grounds'. These invaded countries were largely the source of the current high standards of living the West now enjoys.
Their solution seems to be selling them weapons or allowing them to be bombed.
Here is an example of the current outsourced fruit of the proud Australian colony
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"The fact is that all politicians in all European nations are so obsessed with curing the rest of the world of all its ills that they have lost sight of the fact that their primary responsibility lies with ensuring the well being of their constituents."
Pity the indigenous populations of these colonies http://
were unable to stop the 'invaders' on 'moral grounds'. These invaded countries were largely the source of the current high standards of living the West now enjoys.
Their solution seems to be selling them weapons or allowing them to be bombed.
Here is an example of the current outsourced fruit of the proud Australian colony
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What exactly would you like to see, 7up? Open borders, no borders? No property rights, perhaps? Leaving aside the poor, downtrodden people of our former colonies who would welcome us back like a shot. Lots of things were wrong and unfair throughout history and still are today. We can't cure all the world's ills.
Ed, did I prompt you get this into the Mediterranean fray ;)
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The strange thing about "colonialism", sevenOP, is that you say "These invaded countries were largely the source of the current high standards of living the West now enjoys."
Assuming you are suggesting that the colonialists plundered the natural resources of the countries they colonised (leaving aside the fact that it's doubtful that those already there knew of the riches on which they sat, let alone how to get at them or what to do with them) how have those nations not prospered since their European masters left leaving much of those riches behind? Africa is awash with natural resources yet nobody there seems able to make use of them for the benefit of all the population. Europe has poured untold amounts of cash into the continent in an effort to alleviate the squalor in which they live, but to no avail.
Are you suggesting that to atone for the sins of our forefathers we should now provide free board and lodging for anybody who wants to settle here? Or should we allow all Africans to move to Europe and shift all the Europeans to Africa. After a few generations (when the Europeans have developed Africa decently and Europe has descended into squalor) perhaps we could all move back again! Or maybe the Europeans might not quite like that idea (having spent considerable time and effort knocking Africa into shape and knowing that Europe had descended into mayhem). Then we’d probably then see boatloads of migrants setting off from southern Italy to make the hazardous crossing to Tripoli in search of a "better life".
Assuming you are suggesting that the colonialists plundered the natural resources of the countries they colonised (leaving aside the fact that it's doubtful that those already there knew of the riches on which they sat, let alone how to get at them or what to do with them) how have those nations not prospered since their European masters left leaving much of those riches behind? Africa is awash with natural resources yet nobody there seems able to make use of them for the benefit of all the population. Europe has poured untold amounts of cash into the continent in an effort to alleviate the squalor in which they live, but to no avail.
Are you suggesting that to atone for the sins of our forefathers we should now provide free board and lodging for anybody who wants to settle here? Or should we allow all Africans to move to Europe and shift all the Europeans to Africa. After a few generations (when the Europeans have developed Africa decently and Europe has descended into squalor) perhaps we could all move back again! Or maybe the Europeans might not quite like that idea (having spent considerable time and effort knocking Africa into shape and knowing that Europe had descended into mayhem). Then we’d probably then see boatloads of migrants setting off from southern Italy to make the hazardous crossing to Tripoli in search of a "better life".
Perhaps we have an island we can put them on. there would be a mix of tradesmen etc so they could build accommodation, grow food etc. they would soon have a community. This is what happened to freed slaves after the US Civil War, they were sent to Sierra Leone, which is why the capital is called Freetown.
Northern Europe cannot take thousands and thousands of Africans, Africa would become uninhabited.
Northern Europe cannot take thousands and thousands of Africans, Africa would become uninhabited.
Svejk>"What exactly would you like to see, 7up? "
People being held accountable for their actions; that means governments and institutions and others.
Svejk>" Leaving aside the poor, downtrodden people of our former colonies who would welcome us back like a shot. "
If that is meant as a factual statement, and not a question, then they would probably welcome us back WITH a shot
Svejk>" We can't cure all the world's ills. "
Indeed, but we should be held responsible and ACCOUNTable for our actions.
New Judge
The strange thing about "colonialism", sevenOP, is that you say "These invaded countries were largely the source of the current high standards of living the West now enjoys."
Assuming you are suggesting that the colonialists plundered the natural resources of the countries they colonised (leaving aside the fact that it's doubtful that those already there knew of the riches on which they sat, let alone how to get at them or what to do with them) how have those nations not prospered since their European masters left leaving much of those riches behind? Africa is awash with natural resources yet nobody there seems able to make use of them for the benefit of all the population. Europe has poured untold amounts of cash into the continent in an effort to alleviate the squalor in which they live, but to no avail.
Are you suggesting that to atone for the sins of our forefathers we should now provide free board and lodging for anybody who wants to settle here? Or should we allow all Africans to move to Europe and shift all the Europeans to Africa. After a few generations (when the Europeans have developed Africa decently and Europe has descended into squalor) perhaps we could all move back again! Or maybe the Europeans might not quite like that idea (having spent considerable time and effort knocking Africa into shape and knowing that Europe had descended into mayhem). Then we’d probably then see boatloads of migrants setting off from southern Italy to make the hazardous crossing to Tripoli in search of a "better life".
The purpose of the colonial theft was plunder not some altruistic motive; the people were used, moved and often abused.
Do you think the Industrial Revolution evolved free of resources ?
The colonisers used their more advanced structures and infrastructures with the aid of Capital and enFORCED their will , and when they left so did their infrasructures and Capital.
There was never any attempt to "atone for our forefathers" ( unless you consider the 'Foreign Aid' token benevolence ) , and the facts of our 'forefathers' actions are conveniently ignored and we do not teach our children such things, so a huge mass of our population are blissfully unaware of the facts. You, apparently, are of that ilk.
As I said to Svejk, we should at least be held responsible and accountable for our contemporary actions.
People being held accountable for their actions; that means governments and institutions and others.
Svejk>" Leaving aside the poor, downtrodden people of our former colonies who would welcome us back like a shot. "
If that is meant as a factual statement, and not a question, then they would probably welcome us back WITH a shot
Svejk>" We can't cure all the world's ills. "
Indeed, but we should be held responsible and ACCOUNTable for our actions.
New Judge
The strange thing about "colonialism", sevenOP, is that you say "These invaded countries were largely the source of the current high standards of living the West now enjoys."
Assuming you are suggesting that the colonialists plundered the natural resources of the countries they colonised (leaving aside the fact that it's doubtful that those already there knew of the riches on which they sat, let alone how to get at them or what to do with them) how have those nations not prospered since their European masters left leaving much of those riches behind? Africa is awash with natural resources yet nobody there seems able to make use of them for the benefit of all the population. Europe has poured untold amounts of cash into the continent in an effort to alleviate the squalor in which they live, but to no avail.
Are you suggesting that to atone for the sins of our forefathers we should now provide free board and lodging for anybody who wants to settle here? Or should we allow all Africans to move to Europe and shift all the Europeans to Africa. After a few generations (when the Europeans have developed Africa decently and Europe has descended into squalor) perhaps we could all move back again! Or maybe the Europeans might not quite like that idea (having spent considerable time and effort knocking Africa into shape and knowing that Europe had descended into mayhem). Then we’d probably then see boatloads of migrants setting off from southern Italy to make the hazardous crossing to Tripoli in search of a "better life".
The purpose of the colonial theft was plunder not some altruistic motive; the people were used, moved and often abused.
Do you think the Industrial Revolution evolved free of resources ?
The colonisers used their more advanced structures and infrastructures with the aid of Capital and enFORCED their will , and when they left so did their infrasructures and Capital.
There was never any attempt to "atone for our forefathers" ( unless you consider the 'Foreign Aid' token benevolence ) , and the facts of our 'forefathers' actions are conveniently ignored and we do not teach our children such things, so a huge mass of our population are blissfully unaware of the facts. You, apparently, are of that ilk.
As I said to Svejk, we should at least be held responsible and accountable for our contemporary actions.
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