How Long Before Isis Joins The Un?

[venator]

We've seen it all before.

Today's terrorist is tomorrow's respected statesman.

ANC members routinely executed their enemies with "bracelets" - burning car tyres placed round their necks.

The IRA drilled peoples kneecaps with electric drills.

ISIS are more extreme, but do we think they could carve out a caliphate then seek international recognition?

[mushroom25]

//Religion plays absolutely no part in IRA philosophy//

so are you saying that sectarianism never existed? that the IRA never murdered protestants for being protestants (and vice versa)?

[sandyRoe]

Almost all Loyalist violence was sectarian. Very little IRA violence was.

[mushroom25]

//The IRA existed to get rid of an invading power who terrorised //

of course then, this http://www.theguardian.com/uk/claudy-bombing was a heoic action against a legitimate target of the oppressing occupying force?

[Pete65]

Mushroom, do not put words in my mouth that I did not say.
An earlier poster insisted that the IRA was a Catholic organisation.
It is not and never has been.
There are many instances of murder in Ireland by the occupying forces.
Many, many, more, than by Republicans.

[Peter Pedant]

// There are many instances of murder in Ireland by the occupying forces.
Many, many, more, than by Republicans.//

excuse me ?

[ichkeria]

The IRA and the ANC are not members of the UN unless there has been a dramatic last minute change :-)

[Jackdaw33]

In the 70s at university I attended a fringe meeting addressed by a member of the IRA. He said in passing that it had nothing to do with being catholic and, in terms which would have brought tears of joy to the most rabid Orangeman's heart said, "F*** the Pope!"

[sandyRoe]

If you went to LSE, jackdaw, that was me ;-)

[ichkeria]

This has been covered before but no the IRA were not 'Catholic' as such. Most of their members were Catholics and most of their supporters but that was a consequence of Ireland's history. They did not promote Catholicism per se.

[Jackdaw33]

LSE? Wash your mouth out, this was Durham, doncha know!

[icecreamicecream]

A few apologists for the murderous IRA on this site tonight?

[SirOracle]

It certainly makes a change ICIC. and a most welcome one in my opinion.

[ichkeria]

I'd just like to dissociate myself from the comments of Pete65. It is possible to state that the IRA were not a sectarian organisation as such (though there were most certainly cases where groups carried out such attacks) without subscribing to the view that they were there to counter 'British terror'

[Brinjal]

The rhodesian army used poisoned clothes. Would leave items of clothing contaminated with anthrax to kill off the terrs.

[venator]

Do you think someone could get away from the IRA and express an opinion on the future if ISIS?

[ichkeria]

The IRA were part of the original question. And they are similar in the sense that they were an organisation not a country
No ISIS will not join the UN. The group is far too large and factional ever to be anything other than just that: an extra-national entity threatening the statehood of neighbours and creating unlikely alliances to defeat it. In time it will probably keep morphing into other things.

[venator]

Again - Do you think someone could get away from the IRA and express an opinion on the future if ISIS?

It's about ISIS, not the IRA

[Marshwarble]

"Religion plays no part in IRA's philosophy"

Don't they have to say they have to fight for the God and the President, in much the same way as the British army have to fight for God and the Queen? I'd imagine that they can't only allow Catholics to join.

[venator]

And again and again - Do you think someone could get away from the IRA and express an opinion on the future if ISIS?

It's about ISIS, not the IRA

[Pete65]

Marshwarble.
No.
They make a "solemn promise".
God, religion, or Presidents, play no part in the promise.