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By a supreme irony the author of The Female Eunuch (a book I've read) equates attacks on FGM to attacks on cultural identity. She also thinks that Somalian women should have the same "right" to choose to choose FGM as American women have to have designer vaginas. Personally I am unaware of any of these American women being ten years old. But I could be wrong.
"but I'm not so certain that prosecution of the parents will in any way benefit the victim.". Of course not. As with murder.
But the parents we're talking about view FGM as a rite of passage and will send their daughters back to Somalia or wherever (to assert their "cultural identity") if they can't get the operation performed here. The parents are not accessories after the fact: they are the prime instigators of the crime.
But the parents we're talking about view FGM as a rite of passage and will send their daughters back to Somalia or wherever (to assert their "cultural identity") if they can't get the operation performed here. The parents are not accessories after the fact: they are the prime instigators of the crime.
Orderlimit, the police do not turn a blind eye to domestic violence in any community. If they become aware of it, they investigate and refer to the CPS.
There are several refuges in the West Midlands and other parts of the country for women and their children from ethnic backgrounds who are victims.
The problem isn't with the police, it is the communities that sometimes refuse to support the victims of domestic violence.
There are several refuges in the West Midlands and other parts of the country for women and their children from ethnic backgrounds who are victims.
The problem isn't with the police, it is the communities that sometimes refuse to support the victims of domestic violence.
" She will still be mutilated, still love her parents (usually) and in care, maybe. How does that help?"
Many prosecutions do not directly help the victims. To mis-quote Voltaire, one of the principle reasons for any criminal justice system is "Pour Discourager Les Autres”. In particular with this issue, it needs to be clearly emphasised that this barbaric practice is not unly unacceptable in the UK but is illegal.
Many prosecutions do not directly help the victims. To mis-quote Voltaire, one of the principle reasons for any criminal justice system is "Pour Discourager Les Autres”. In particular with this issue, it needs to be clearly emphasised that this barbaric practice is not unly unacceptable in the UK but is illegal.
Mushroom, //there's a school of thought that says using the term "FGM", in which the m stands for mutilation stigmatizes those whose cultures practice it, thus "female circumcision" is more politically acceptable. thus the comparison is valid.//
Whatever ‘spin’ people employ in an effort to make this practice appear more acceptable, the comparison is not valid and people who subject their children to torture should not be protected from criticism in this way – and neither should the perpetrators. They deserve to be stigmatized. This discussion should not be side-lined by comparison with male circumcision. There is no comparison. However, for the record both Jewish and Muslim boys are routinely circumcised in infancy as a requirement of their parents’ religion. Despite the insistence of the apologists that this is a ‘cultural’ practice and nothing to do with religion, FGM, which involves the removal of the clitoris and in many instances of the inner labia and sometimes the outer labia too, is frequently carried out as a perceived religious requirement. The area is often then stitched allowing a very small space from which menstrual blood may escape (albeit slowly!) and leaving the victim physically incapable of participating naturally in sexual intercourse – I will leave the unthinkable scenario of both results to the reader’s imagination. As the final letter in the acronym ‘FGM’ accurately conveys, this is mutilation.
The NHS lists the long term effects thus:
• chronic vaginal and pelvic infections
• abnormal periods
• difficulty passing urine, and persistent urine infections
• kidney impairment and possible kidney failure
• damage to the reproductive system, including infertility
• cysts and the formation of scar tissue
• complications in pregnancy and newborn deaths
• pain during sex and lack of pleasurable sensation
• psychological damage, including low libido, depression and anxiety (see below)
• flashbacks during pregnancy and childbirth
• the need for later surgery to open the lower vagina for sexual intercourse and childbirth
Prosecution does not benefit past victims, but it would be of great benefit to potential future victims causing parents, who are wholly culpable, to think again before committing their little girls to this disgusting barbarism. There is no acceptable excuse.
Whatever ‘spin’ people employ in an effort to make this practice appear more acceptable, the comparison is not valid and people who subject their children to torture should not be protected from criticism in this way – and neither should the perpetrators. They deserve to be stigmatized. This discussion should not be side-lined by comparison with male circumcision. There is no comparison. However, for the record both Jewish and Muslim boys are routinely circumcised in infancy as a requirement of their parents’ religion. Despite the insistence of the apologists that this is a ‘cultural’ practice and nothing to do with religion, FGM, which involves the removal of the clitoris and in many instances of the inner labia and sometimes the outer labia too, is frequently carried out as a perceived religious requirement. The area is often then stitched allowing a very small space from which menstrual blood may escape (albeit slowly!) and leaving the victim physically incapable of participating naturally in sexual intercourse – I will leave the unthinkable scenario of both results to the reader’s imagination. As the final letter in the acronym ‘FGM’ accurately conveys, this is mutilation.
The NHS lists the long term effects thus:
• chronic vaginal and pelvic infections
• abnormal periods
• difficulty passing urine, and persistent urine infections
• kidney impairment and possible kidney failure
• damage to the reproductive system, including infertility
• cysts and the formation of scar tissue
• complications in pregnancy and newborn deaths
• pain during sex and lack of pleasurable sensation
• psychological damage, including low libido, depression and anxiety (see below)
• flashbacks during pregnancy and childbirth
• the need for later surgery to open the lower vagina for sexual intercourse and childbirth
Prosecution does not benefit past victims, but it would be of great benefit to potential future victims causing parents, who are wholly culpable, to think again before committing their little girls to this disgusting barbarism. There is no acceptable excuse.
" it needs to be clearly emphasised that this barbaric practice is not unly unacceptable in the UK but is illegal. "
but like a lot of other things here, these people couldnt care less.....they treat us our country and laws with utter contempt....they do what they want, thats why they came here...to do what they want and pfuk what we think, its their right to do what they want and as usual we pussy foot around them in case we upset them in some way.
but like a lot of other things here, these people couldnt care less.....they treat us our country and laws with utter contempt....they do what they want, thats why they came here...to do what they want and pfuk what we think, its their right to do what they want and as usual we pussy foot around them in case we upset them in some way.
Oh dear - I think people have not distinguished incidence and prevalence
If someone is mutilated at age 5 and immigrates here at age 35 there really isn't anyone you can prosecute
If someone immigrates at age 5 and is mutilated at age 5 1/2 in this country then there is.....
as far as I can see - no one knows how many are being mutilated now ( incidence) whereas there may be many who carry the scars from a past event ( prevalent )
If someone is mutilated at age 5 and immigrates here at age 35 there really isn't anyone you can prosecute
If someone immigrates at age 5 and is mutilated at age 5 1/2 in this country then there is.....
as far as I can see - no one knows how many are being mutilated now ( incidence) whereas there may be many who carry the scars from a past event ( prevalent )
I cannot understand why this country does not have the same system as Sweden, where "Matrons" ( female nurses) are stationed at airports to look out for girls being taken abroad. These matrons have the job of inspecting girls going abroad and coming back, to check for mutilation. Parents know well that they will be prosecuted if they mutilate daughters.
"I cannot understand why this country does not have the same system as Sweden, where "Matrons" ( female nurses) are stationed at airports to look out for girls being taken abroad. These matrons have the job of inspecting girls going abroad and coming back, to check for mutilation.".
For this reason, Atalanta: the most likely destinations for the girls being "looked out for" would be the Horn of Africa or Sub-Saharan Africa, and the parents almost exclusively black and predominately Muslim. Therefore if a "matron" selected (sorry, targeted) solely this group she would be acting in a discriminatory way. As this is intolerable in a civilised society she would have to ditch common sense and efficiency and check EVERY girl in the age range eight to thirteen who was being taken abroad to ANY destination. This in turn would lead to lots of unthinking or bigoted white British women coming out with remarks like "What the hell's all this about? Do I look like a Somalian?". So the result of adopting the Swedish system would be a big increase in hate speech and, as a consequence, more prosecutions under our enlightened race hate laws. So, as far as you can judge these things, more harm than good would probably be caused.
For this reason, Atalanta: the most likely destinations for the girls being "looked out for" would be the Horn of Africa or Sub-Saharan Africa, and the parents almost exclusively black and predominately Muslim. Therefore if a "matron" selected (sorry, targeted) solely this group she would be acting in a discriminatory way. As this is intolerable in a civilised society she would have to ditch common sense and efficiency and check EVERY girl in the age range eight to thirteen who was being taken abroad to ANY destination. This in turn would lead to lots of unthinking or bigoted white British women coming out with remarks like "What the hell's all this about? Do I look like a Somalian?". So the result of adopting the Swedish system would be a big increase in hate speech and, as a consequence, more prosecutions under our enlightened race hate laws. So, as far as you can judge these things, more harm than good would probably be caused.
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