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Joeshmoe
/// it's a good education to let the far right voice their opionions so they can also be psychollogically profiled by those users weho are interested in the psychollogy of how certain minds think as well as the security service. ///
While we are on the subject of education, perhaps you would care to check your spelling?
opionions - opinions
psychollogically - psychologically
weho - who
psychollogy - psychology
Just a suggestion in the best possible way.
/// it's a good education to let the far right voice their opionions so they can also be psychollogically profiled by those users weho are interested in the psychollogy of how certain minds think as well as the security service. ///
While we are on the subject of education, perhaps you would care to check your spelling?
opionions - opinions
psychollogically - psychologically
weho - who
psychollogy - psychology
Just a suggestion in the best possible way.
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Joeshmoe
/// You appear to have blown it out of all proportion and taken it of context my learned friend. It's not as you say it is if you read it a little slower and add in the few words that edited themselves out before I hit submit. Apologies for your offence but it is totally unfounded. ///
Not gone to the pub yet then joe, I hope I haven't kept you away from your lunchtime tipple?
Oh so I have to take part in a self editing exercise do I? since you say that I have to add some words that have conveniently edited themselves out before you hit submit button.
Thanks all the same but I will leave that to you, since I don't want to be accused of putting words into your mouth.
/// You appear to have blown it out of all proportion and taken it of context my learned friend. It's not as you say it is if you read it a little slower and add in the few words that edited themselves out before I hit submit. Apologies for your offence but it is totally unfounded. ///
Not gone to the pub yet then joe, I hope I haven't kept you away from your lunchtime tipple?
Oh so I have to take part in a self editing exercise do I? since you say that I have to add some words that have conveniently edited themselves out before you hit submit button.
Thanks all the same but I will leave that to you, since I don't want to be accused of putting words into your mouth.
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Personally I’m not the least bit interested in how many people get slaughtered in Nigeria in the name of religion. I’m more concerned with events closer to home.
“When will we ever just be able to all get along..”
Never for as long as there are religions which contain factions which cannot tolerate other religions (or even different branches of their own faith).
It’s an unfortunate fact that there are parts of the world where the inhabitants do not quite see the Western way of life as at all acceptable or even tolerable. Many people have moved from those places to the West and continued to conduct their lives (aided and abetted by liberal minded governments) in the same way as they did “back home”. They believed that, similarly to the way “infidels” are handled back home, the West would soon be licked into shape after they'd arrived and the gradual Islamification of the continent would follow as sure as night follows day. There were bound to be cultural clashes when this occurred but warnings that “multiculturalism” was dangerous and undesirable went unheeded. I know that the recent atrocities are examples of the most extreme forms of these differences but they stem from the times when a rabid preacher (recently jailed for life in the US because we did not have the stomach to do it ourselves) was allowed to preach hatred and bile in St Thomas’s Road Finsbury Park to his disciples sitting in the road, surrounded by assistants wearing face masks and watched over by PC Plod smiling benignly at them. There were bound to be extremists among the “peace-loving” population that saw our “tolerance” towards these acts as a sign that anything goes. And it seems they were right.
Being tolerant is an admirable characteristic which British people demonstrate in bucketloads. Being taken for a ride by people who hate you and wish to subjugate you to their way of thinking is quite a different thing and the West is now reaping the rewards of that confusion. This has been brewing for a couple of decades and is now unstoppable. The Muslim faith believes there is only one way and the extremities of that faith believe there is only one way to achieve that aim.
And please don’t trot out the “vast majority of Muslims are peace loving blah blah blah…”. That’s very true. But the vast majority of them, because of the teachings of their faith, also see segregation by gender as perfectly acceptable, see women as second class chattels (putting women’s rights in the UK back 200 years), would be happy to see homosexuals castrated and see adulterers (ladies only, natch) stoned to death. There are fundamental and irreconcilable differences between their culture and that which the majority of people in the UK wish to follow. The time has come for “traditional British Tolerance” to be shoved aside and a single culture unfettered by Islamic traditions to be encouraged. Those wishing to follow a different line might then find it better to try their luck elsewhere. Like, say, Nigeria.
“When will we ever just be able to all get along..”
Never for as long as there are religions which contain factions which cannot tolerate other religions (or even different branches of their own faith).
It’s an unfortunate fact that there are parts of the world where the inhabitants do not quite see the Western way of life as at all acceptable or even tolerable. Many people have moved from those places to the West and continued to conduct their lives (aided and abetted by liberal minded governments) in the same way as they did “back home”. They believed that, similarly to the way “infidels” are handled back home, the West would soon be licked into shape after they'd arrived and the gradual Islamification of the continent would follow as sure as night follows day. There were bound to be cultural clashes when this occurred but warnings that “multiculturalism” was dangerous and undesirable went unheeded. I know that the recent atrocities are examples of the most extreme forms of these differences but they stem from the times when a rabid preacher (recently jailed for life in the US because we did not have the stomach to do it ourselves) was allowed to preach hatred and bile in St Thomas’s Road Finsbury Park to his disciples sitting in the road, surrounded by assistants wearing face masks and watched over by PC Plod smiling benignly at them. There were bound to be extremists among the “peace-loving” population that saw our “tolerance” towards these acts as a sign that anything goes. And it seems they were right.
Being tolerant is an admirable characteristic which British people demonstrate in bucketloads. Being taken for a ride by people who hate you and wish to subjugate you to their way of thinking is quite a different thing and the West is now reaping the rewards of that confusion. This has been brewing for a couple of decades and is now unstoppable. The Muslim faith believes there is only one way and the extremities of that faith believe there is only one way to achieve that aim.
And please don’t trot out the “vast majority of Muslims are peace loving blah blah blah…”. That’s very true. But the vast majority of them, because of the teachings of their faith, also see segregation by gender as perfectly acceptable, see women as second class chattels (putting women’s rights in the UK back 200 years), would be happy to see homosexuals castrated and see adulterers (ladies only, natch) stoned to death. There are fundamental and irreconcilable differences between their culture and that which the majority of people in the UK wish to follow. The time has come for “traditional British Tolerance” to be shoved aside and a single culture unfettered by Islamic traditions to be encouraged. Those wishing to follow a different line might then find it better to try their luck elsewhere. Like, say, Nigeria.
attempts to paint Islam as the home of all bigotry are suspect. I see Russia is banned fetishists, voyeurs, exhibitionists and transvestites from driving. I await condemnation of this European country from all freedom lovers everywhere. And yet I don't hear any. Can it be they're not so much freedom-loving as Muslim-hating?
Indeed jno.
It turns out that in Donbass, Eastern Ukraine at the moment, adherents of the Russian Orthodox faith are carrying out "religious cleansing" of Protestants and other religionists. So while undoubtedly Islamist extremism is to the fore, it does not hold a monopoly on violent religious intolerance.
As far as integration and multi- or mono-culturalism is concerned, it is worth remembering that one policeman murdered in Paris a few days ago was Moslem, a further victim Algerian, and the policewoman killed at Montrouge was from Martinique. And they are not exceptional statistical phenomena I should think. It would have been strange had some of them not been born and bred in the white, civilised west.
So these constant attacks on "multiculturalism" are tiresome and unjustified: it seems that rather there are good people and bad people of all backgrounds, and trying to draw lines in this rather self-congratulatory and complacent way is ill-conceived.
It turns out that in Donbass, Eastern Ukraine at the moment, adherents of the Russian Orthodox faith are carrying out "religious cleansing" of Protestants and other religionists. So while undoubtedly Islamist extremism is to the fore, it does not hold a monopoly on violent religious intolerance.
As far as integration and multi- or mono-culturalism is concerned, it is worth remembering that one policeman murdered in Paris a few days ago was Moslem, a further victim Algerian, and the policewoman killed at Montrouge was from Martinique. And they are not exceptional statistical phenomena I should think. It would have been strange had some of them not been born and bred in the white, civilised west.
So these constant attacks on "multiculturalism" are tiresome and unjustified: it seems that rather there are good people and bad people of all backgrounds, and trying to draw lines in this rather self-congratulatory and complacent way is ill-conceived.
it seems that rather there are good people and bad people of all backgrounds
so I believe... indeed, bearing in mind Soviet anti-clerical purges, it's not just the relligious who are bigots; even atheists can do it when they put their minds to it. It seems our common humanity includes a certain amount of inhumanity too.
so I believe... indeed, bearing in mind Soviet anti-clerical purges, it's not just the relligious who are bigots; even atheists can do it when they put their minds to it. It seems our common humanity includes a certain amount of inhumanity too.
Of course any loss of life is tragic, Gromit. Alas I don't have enough sympathy and concern to go round and must ration it. So I reserve what I have for victims of outrages such as those in Paris where people who follow the sort of culture I subscribe to are slaughtered by religious maniacs.
These events have their root causes in unfettered immigration and the blame for that lies at the door of liberal politicians. Under these policies Europe (the area for which I reserve most of my concern) has been under cultural invasion by people determined to impose their own rules and values on those already here. Until the last couple of decades there had been no widespread concentration of Muslims in Western Europe for about six or seven hundred years (and I think the concentration at the moment is no more than about 5%). Yes, now many of them are "residents" rather than guests. But that's what happens over time. When a guest stays in a hotel long enough he begins to be referred to as a resident. Western culture is anathema to many Muslims and it would be far better if the two cultures remained separate. To pretend that the two can integrate is specious. I quite agree that the perpetrators of the recent atrocities are extremists acting under the name of Islam. But their extremism stems from the basic incompatibility between the two cultures and as I tried to explain in my earlier post, even the moderate followers of Islam have views which I find offensive and which I believe have no place in our society.
It's time to stop beating about the bush. We've tried the multicultural experiment and it's come up short. Time to return to some sanity before too many more lives are lost.
These events have their root causes in unfettered immigration and the blame for that lies at the door of liberal politicians. Under these policies Europe (the area for which I reserve most of my concern) has been under cultural invasion by people determined to impose their own rules and values on those already here. Until the last couple of decades there had been no widespread concentration of Muslims in Western Europe for about six or seven hundred years (and I think the concentration at the moment is no more than about 5%). Yes, now many of them are "residents" rather than guests. But that's what happens over time. When a guest stays in a hotel long enough he begins to be referred to as a resident. Western culture is anathema to many Muslims and it would be far better if the two cultures remained separate. To pretend that the two can integrate is specious. I quite agree that the perpetrators of the recent atrocities are extremists acting under the name of Islam. But their extremism stems from the basic incompatibility between the two cultures and as I tried to explain in my earlier post, even the moderate followers of Islam have views which I find offensive and which I believe have no place in our society.
It's time to stop beating about the bush. We've tried the multicultural experiment and it's come up short. Time to return to some sanity before too many more lives are lost.
What is "the multicultural experiment"?
that would be the policy introduced by the last labour administration for no other purpose than to rub the right's nose in diversity.
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that would be the policy introduced by the last labour administration for no other purpose than to rub the right's nose in diversity.
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The idea that people who conduct their lives under a fundamentally different set of rules and values can exist happily side by side in the same place and at the same time as people whose ideas, beliefs and conduct is unacceptable to them.
It may work in pockets here and there but in most places it leads to strain, tension, distrust and dislike.
It may work in pockets here and there but in most places it leads to strain, tension, distrust and dislike.
That isn't an "experiment" though New Judge, is it?
Some of what you say is self-evident: you plainly may have problems if people who abide by certain different, conflicting laws or beliefs try to co-exist. But I am not sure I would call that "multiculturalism". We have situations all over the world like that. But you cannot just separate everyone into little compartments. Arguably that makes things worse. Whenever it is either possible or has been tried. It seems like a rather shallow way of thinking about things.
Some of what you say is self-evident: you plainly may have problems if people who abide by certain different, conflicting laws or beliefs try to co-exist. But I am not sure I would call that "multiculturalism". We have situations all over the world like that. But you cannot just separate everyone into little compartments. Arguably that makes things worse. Whenever it is either possible or has been tried. It seems like a rather shallow way of thinking about things.
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