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Do we actually have to wait until our infrastructure collapses before the EU let us do anything, would they even then?
Thanks you Brown, Blair and Cameron for this wonderful mess we are in. I doubt you lot will have to live in the mess we will end up in.
Do we actually have to wait until our infrastructure collapses before the EU let us do anything, would they even then?
Thanks you Brown, Blair and Cameron for this wonderful mess we are in. I doubt you lot will have to live in the mess we will end up in.
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Migration from non-EU countries fell from 172,000 to 140,000, whereas there has been a rise in migration from EU countries which rose from 72,000 in the previous year to 106,000.
He can and has controlled the flow from non-EU countries, but I ask you how can he do anything about the increased flow from Europe?
How do you suggest we can stop that flow while we remain in the EU?
Migration from non-EU countries fell from 172,000 to 140,000, whereas there has been a rise in migration from EU countries which rose from 72,000 in the previous year to 106,000.
He can and has controlled the flow from non-EU countries, but I ask you how can he do anything about the increased flow from Europe?
How do you suggest we can stop that flow while we remain in the EU?
Sadly, Anotheoldgit, 140,000 does not qualify as a figure within the "tens of thousands", a matter of simple arithmetic, surely. To do so, it would need to be 99,999 or less, so - even re non-EU countries - he has flopped.
Don't ask me how to solve the influx from Europe...Cameron's the one who claims he can do it. My advice? Don't hold your breath.
Don't ask me how to solve the influx from Europe...Cameron's the one who claims he can do it. My advice? Don't hold your breath.
//How do you suggest we can stop that flow while we remain in the EU?//
And here you hit the nail squarely on the head.
Although, as QM points out, we still are not stopping the ones we should be able to control so I suggest we also need to stop subscribing to the ECHR.
Well stop putting up with being told to do by anything European.
And here you hit the nail squarely on the head.
Although, as QM points out, we still are not stopping the ones we should be able to control so I suggest we also need to stop subscribing to the ECHR.
Well stop putting up with being told to do by anything European.
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/// Sadly, Anotheoldgit, 140,000 does not qualify as a figure within the "tens of thousands", a matter of simple arithmetic, surely. ///
He promise to get the net migration down to the tens of thousands.
*** Migration from non-EU countries fell from 172,000 to 140,000, ***
So a drop from 172,000 to 140,000 is getting it down by 32,000 surely even when I went to school that meant in the tens of thousands.
/// Sadly, Anotheoldgit, 140,000 does not qualify as a figure within the "tens of thousands", a matter of simple arithmetic, surely. ///
He promise to get the net migration down to the tens of thousands.
*** Migration from non-EU countries fell from 172,000 to 140,000, ***
So a drop from 172,000 to 140,000 is getting it down by 32,000 surely even when I went to school that meant in the tens of thousands.
It was a daft pledge to make. He knows the only way is to leave the EU but he does not want to do that and will fight tooth and nail to keep us in.
I strongly suspect he has no intention of a referendum, which is why he is loosing voters to UKIP. At least Milliband has the balls to state the truth - No referendum from labour (you will do as we say because we know better than you plebs and anyway I want my snout in the EU trough when I'm done being a politician).
I strongly suspect he has no intention of a referendum, which is why he is loosing voters to UKIP. At least Milliband has the balls to state the truth - No referendum from labour (you will do as we say because we know better than you plebs and anyway I want my snout in the EU trough when I'm done being a politician).
AOg, Cameron didn't promise a cut in migration by "tens of thousands", but to tens of thousands. Hence, the absolute net figure of people coming in has to be less than 100,000. Which 140,000 isn't. Doesn't matter about the size of the cut.
In that, then, Cameron has ailed. Doubly, because he hasn't even managed to cut net migration from non-EU countries to the required target. Having said that, I don't blame him exactly for this, it was always likely to be a missed target. The problem lies in making the pledge in the first place. Control over immigration shouldn't be set in terms of absolute numbers (and anyway, EU membership was always going to keep the absolute figure higher than any target), but in terms of relative gain. If immigrants are going to come to this country we should ensure that they are going to be beneficial to the economy, by taking on jobs or filling University places. As long as this is true, the current immigration levels could be sustainable even at a higher rate than tens of thousands. Applying an arbitrary cap in principle means turning people away who could bring useful skills etc, but are "over quota", which is the wrong approach -- setting a target for the sake of it.
Cameron's -- and the Conservative Party's -- mistake, then, is not in missing the target, but in setting it.
In that, then, Cameron has ailed. Doubly, because he hasn't even managed to cut net migration from non-EU countries to the required target. Having said that, I don't blame him exactly for this, it was always likely to be a missed target. The problem lies in making the pledge in the first place. Control over immigration shouldn't be set in terms of absolute numbers (and anyway, EU membership was always going to keep the absolute figure higher than any target), but in terms of relative gain. If immigrants are going to come to this country we should ensure that they are going to be beneficial to the economy, by taking on jobs or filling University places. As long as this is true, the current immigration levels could be sustainable even at a higher rate than tens of thousands. Applying an arbitrary cap in principle means turning people away who could bring useful skills etc, but are "over quota", which is the wrong approach -- setting a target for the sake of it.
Cameron's -- and the Conservative Party's -- mistake, then, is not in missing the target, but in setting it.
While I am a tory supporter I have to say (as one poster has already said) that ALL the political parties are to blame for the immigration mess.
They have all stood back and allowed it to get worse and worse until now it has become probably the topic that will be most talked about in the run up to next election.
I remember about 15 years or more ago when we had illegal immigrants trying to run under the channel tunnel to get into the UK.
There was an election due and a political person knocked on my door canvasing for votes and I said then that if they sort out the problem of these illegal immigrants I will vote for them.
I saw it was a major problem back them, so how come none of the parties who have been in power for the last 15 years or so have done anything about it.
We have been BADLY let down by all these pathetic politicians and most of them just seem more interested in trying to claim as much expenses as they can instead of solving the real problems.
They have all stood back and allowed it to get worse and worse until now it has become probably the topic that will be most talked about in the run up to next election.
I remember about 15 years or more ago when we had illegal immigrants trying to run under the channel tunnel to get into the UK.
There was an election due and a political person knocked on my door canvasing for votes and I said then that if they sort out the problem of these illegal immigrants I will vote for them.
I saw it was a major problem back them, so how come none of the parties who have been in power for the last 15 years or so have done anything about it.
We have been BADLY let down by all these pathetic politicians and most of them just seem more interested in trying to claim as much expenses as they can instead of solving the real problems.
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//Tory boys on here blame. Blair and Brown for this ,//
1) In your haste to post a political point scoring answer you clearly have not read either mine or VHG post properly have you? 2/10, try again.
2) Yes, five years is a fair time and I agree there is failing on non-EU immigration (as said above). However, without leaving the EU it is virtually impossible to stem EU immigrants. That was caused by labour and no amount of time can pass that will enable that to be fixed- unless we leave.
As I said above ALL parties are culpable.
1) In your haste to post a political point scoring answer you clearly have not read either mine or VHG post properly have you? 2/10, try again.
2) Yes, five years is a fair time and I agree there is failing on non-EU immigration (as said above). However, without leaving the EU it is virtually impossible to stem EU immigrants. That was caused by labour and no amount of time can pass that will enable that to be fixed- unless we leave.
As I said above ALL parties are culpable.
No that was the CAP, and I am pretty sure most people still agree that trading agreements with Europe are a good thing.
The CAP is a totally different beast to what we have today, as well you know - And didnt some have a referendum for that?
Brown and Blair signed our country away, again as well you know.
The CAP is a totally different beast to what we have today, as well you know - And didnt some have a referendum for that?
Brown and Blair signed our country away, again as well you know.
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