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Another Poll On The Eu
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Data from a Comres poll for the Independent on Sunday last weekend - summarised in a nice graphic :
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Confused or what?
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Full data here :
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Confused or what?
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No it's not confusing, Dave.
52% of British people think that they should have the right to live and work elsewhere in the EU whilst only 36% believe people from other EU nations should have the right to live and work in the UK.
It's a conundrum associated with te UK's EU membership. Many people like the advantages but do not like the downside. They cannot have it both ways.
52% of British people think that they should have the right to live and work elsewhere in the EU whilst only 36% believe people from other EU nations should have the right to live and work in the UK.
It's a conundrum associated with te UK's EU membership. Many people like the advantages but do not like the downside. They cannot have it both ways.
It's hard to see any renegotiations having only an impact on immigration into this country, rather than out. And indeed in general it's difficult to see the rest of the EU accepting changes that benefit our national interest whilst simultaneously hurting the interests of the EU. Cameron's attempt to negotiate a better position is not likely to achieve anything more than putting off a discussion that we should probably be having around about now, or at least not that long after the next election, and should be framed as a vote on continued EU membership rather than on what piecemeal changes he does manage to get out of the negotiations.
In the meantime rising support for UKIP might make it even harder to leave the EU, ironically -- although that might not be true if the votes are coming even more from Labour/ LibDems than from disgruntled Tories.
One way or another, we should try to settle the issue as to whether or not we want to stay in the EU soon.
In the meantime rising support for UKIP might make it even harder to leave the EU, ironically -- although that might not be true if the votes are coming even more from Labour/ LibDems than from disgruntled Tories.
One way or another, we should try to settle the issue as to whether or not we want to stay in the EU soon.
Are we selfish or still harbour dreams of imperialism.....can't have it both ways!
The thing that I would be doing is introducing legislation that limits benefits to at least 2 years wait within the EEC and 4 or even 5 years for non-EEC. I can not see Cameron negotiating in limitations on the right to work or travel and neither should he - that's a key membership right of Europe, though an Ozzie-style points system or US Green Card may work for non-EEC and be introduced quickly - and perhaps that ought to be done on a common platform for all member states, still allowing the state the right to take immigrants to their job market needs.
Back to Europe, does anyone have data when member states allow benefits to immigrant groups both from within and without the country? I haven't the time to research it.
The thing that I would be doing is introducing legislation that limits benefits to at least 2 years wait within the EEC and 4 or even 5 years for non-EEC. I can not see Cameron negotiating in limitations on the right to work or travel and neither should he - that's a key membership right of Europe, though an Ozzie-style points system or US Green Card may work for non-EEC and be introduced quickly - and perhaps that ought to be done on a common platform for all member states, still allowing the state the right to take immigrants to their job market needs.
Back to Europe, does anyone have data when member states allow benefits to immigrant groups both from within and without the country? I haven't the time to research it.
Yes but it is not quite a level playing field is it, the reason for the two different outcomes is because those workers from the EU who come to Britain (a much smaller area) are a drain on our infrastructure, whereas British workers who work in Europe (a much larger area) are not a drain on their infrastructure.
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// Yes but it is not quite a level playing field is it, the reason for the two different outcomes is because those workers from the EU who come to Britain (a much smaller area) are a drain on our infrastructure, whereas British workers who work in Europe (a much larger area) are not a drain on their infrastructure. //
Europe isn't divided into just two countries, the 'UK and 'Not the UK'.
There are plenty of countries with a smaller land area than the UK in Europe.
And people who come to the UK to work are paying taxes, they are not a drain. It is true that in some places that the infrastructure has not caught up, but that is due to bad planning.
// Yes but it is not quite a level playing field is it, the reason for the two different outcomes is because those workers from the EU who come to Britain (a much smaller area) are a drain on our infrastructure, whereas British workers who work in Europe (a much larger area) are not a drain on their infrastructure. //
Europe isn't divided into just two countries, the 'UK and 'Not the UK'.
There are plenty of countries with a smaller land area than the UK in Europe.
And people who come to the UK to work are paying taxes, they are not a drain. It is true that in some places that the infrastructure has not caught up, but that is due to bad planning.
// And unlike the UK, do these countries also provide our workers with accommodation? //
I would assume they do. Just like migrants here, they would have to pay rent out of their earnings. They would not get free accommodation provided by the state, but neither do migrant workers coming to our shores.
I would assume they do. Just like migrants here, they would have to pay rent out of their earnings. They would not get free accommodation provided by the state, but neither do migrant workers coming to our shores.
I have a close relative who went to work in Germany 20-odd years ago, as a Brickie, much in the way of "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" and was very glad of the work. But he now lays bricks here in Wales and is constantly complaining of the "foreigners" working along side of him, from Europe. I have called him a hypocrite to his face but all he says is "thats not the point "
Not sure what the point is if it isn't hypocrisy ?
Not sure what the point is if it isn't hypocrisy ?
