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Drug Resistant Tb In Europe

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Khandro | 17:40 Mon 27th Mar 2017 | News
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I haven't see this reported anywhere else, have you, or is it being hushed up?

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/AFP-Migrants-at-risk-of-drug-resistant-TB-in-Europe_1021033.html
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i confess i hadn't seen this report, it does make quite disturbing reading.
it was world TB day 3 days ago.
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The report says "There's very little evidence to suggest that migrants pose a major threat to the general population of a country they go to in health terms,"

What the hell does that mean? Migrants don't stay in the centres, I see them everywhere.
Interesting.
In Europe and the Western world,TB is successfully treated by, Streptomycin, Rifampicin, Isoniazide or a combination of all of them to lower the chance of drug resistance.
In the Eastern and Middle Eastern areas the organism that causes TB seems to be a different type and is already resistant to ALL known anti-tuberculous drugs.
Now with mass immigration from the Middle East in full flow, the question is, are we going to be infected with their special TB bug and disease known as MDR-TB (MDR meaning multi drug resistamt).
If that is the case, then we are facing a big problem in cross infection with a germ that causes TB with no antibiotic to "touch it."
Now the Bacteriologists tell us, that there is, up to now, no evidence of cross infection.
That is my simple take on the article.
I am not a bacteriologist, so watch this space.
Coming to a town near you.
Drug resistant TB has been around for ages - there were some reports of it being found in migrants in London many years ago, so it's not being hushed up (well not unless you are one for conspiracy theories).

The thing about TB is that it isn't that easy to catch - the most common way to get infected is by prolonged exposure to someone who has it, which means that while it is a problem for people who do have it and for those who live with them, the man on the Clapham omnibus isn't too likely to come down with it.
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Huderon; //The thing about TB is that it isn't that easy to catch//

Would that be because the use of anti-biotics have had a dramatic effect on the statistics?
Pre anti biotics it was very easy to catch.
Lord? Robert Winston thought it was marvelous that immigrants were bringing all these 'exotic' illnesses to Britain.
Gives our doctors a chance to practise on things they wouldn't otherwise see. ;-/
The gift that keeps on giving.
I caught it from my father when I was 6. He was kept in a sanitarium for 3 months, I think. I was given one of the vile tasting drugs. Can I get it again?
Chrissa......that vile tasting drug was P.A.S (Para-ammino salycilic acid).....the worst tasting drug known to man. As students doing "Chests" we were made to taste it by our Consultant Chest Physician.
chrissa.....yes you can get it again.
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Sqad; Thanks for the info. Out of interest, are you the earliest poster of today (05:54) or the latest poster of yesterday?
This is written by a stringer
who doesnt know diddly squat about TB

The headline and first sentence is a dead give away (geddit)

//In the late 19th century, an estimated one in seven Europeans was dying of tuberculosis,
Then known as "consumption" for its slow, remorseless wasting of the human body.//

why didnt he write

"Then known as "consumption" for its slow, remorseless wasting of the human body of innocent teenage and adolescent bodies, as keen sportsmen were rendered into skeletons before a painful and bloody death. Death gripped the hearts of fiancees breaking families over generations- This mournful spectacle....."

Novels about this - Dombey and son - Paul Dombey dies from TB around Chap 2 and Florence gets it in the neck from her father for the rest of the book
La Traviata - Radio 3 a few weeks ago - that was not of course the first performance. Piu Taaaaarrrrdi ! is given full throat by buxom sopranos supposedly dying from TB
Pre raphaelite Too Late !
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/windus-too-late-n03597

and it is in the headline
TB killed zillions in the 1890s and the death rate had fallen by 1948 when streptomycin was brought in
ergo ... triple therapy did NOT lead to the fall in incidence of TB
Vaccination ( BCG) - clean living conditions and better working
conditions .... did

and here
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4829a1.htm

it all is....

"The incidence of TB also declined as improvements in housing reduced crowding and TB-control programs were initiated. In 1900, 194 of every 100,000 U.S. residents died from TB; most were residents of urban areas. In 1940 (before the introduction of antibiotic therapy), TB remained a leading cause of death, but the crude death rate had decreased to 46 per 100,000 persons (7)."

first forty years of the 1900s - the incidence declines to a quarter of what it was.

Sqad - you should have done this in your path and Bact course at med school.

No I am not a bacteriologist
but I clearly could have written a better article
( I did do rather well in pathology but as a career - ugh ! it is full of dead people and those that arent dead have AWFUL diseases !)
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Peter; //why didnt he write...............//

Was perhaps because s/he is a journalist writing a short news item, not an author writing a novella ?
// Coming to a town near you.//

um no not really
BCG (the vaccine) shows much greater protection for Anglo Saxons than it does for others ( poor for Indians and very poor for amer-indians)

I mean the article isnt scientific

it is much more on the lines of
multi resistna TB sufferers ( yeah all of them! ) are gonna hi jack or hire cars and drive them along westminster bridge and infect the whole of the House of Commons with their filthy breath ( spit and unwashed hands) - oh and the tea ladies. Heavens they dont deserve that ! the tea ladies I mean....ter daaah!

and what will we do then ( us poor things without legislators ) ?
as an arteest - I can state the alternative fact ( you know the ones that dont need any evidence )

that my novella is better !
P.P.
As far as i can make out, the article was pointing out one major factor, in that TB can be treated in the Western World by either one or more anti-tuberculous drugs which in isolation or combined can kill the tubercle bacillus.
Worryingly.......the Eastern and Middle Eastern World have produced a tubercle bacillus which is resistant to ALL anti-tuberculous chemotherapy either in isolation or in combination.
Now THAT is worrying as immigrants from war torn Middle Eastern Countries are flowing into Western Europe.
However......the Bacteriologists say......not to worry, it is difficult to catch.

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