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Keyplus, Please do not challenge me to convert you.
It's not in my pay grade.
Out of genuine concern for you, I beg you to pray to our Lord Jesus Christ, repent of your sins, and ask Him for the free gift of forgiveness and eternal life.
Ask Him to come into your life, right now, and make Himself known to you, by the gift of the Holy Spirit.
If you pray and ask Him with a contrite heart, and all sincerity, He will reveal Himself to you, and together we will praise Him.
May God bless you Keyplus.
It's not in my pay grade.
Out of genuine concern for you, I beg you to pray to our Lord Jesus Christ, repent of your sins, and ask Him for the free gift of forgiveness and eternal life.
Ask Him to come into your life, right now, and make Himself known to you, by the gift of the Holy Spirit.
If you pray and ask Him with a contrite heart, and all sincerity, He will reveal Himself to you, and together we will praise Him.
May God bless you Keyplus.
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Narrow minded people; they feel threatened even when someone wants to show them what Islam is really about, hospitality, love, care, and respect. But then why would you care?
Jourdain – Why do you have problem with (pbuh)? Muslims believe it more to be respect. How do you call someone you don’t know much if say for example his name is John Smith? Would you call John or would you call Mr Smith? But then again why would Christians give any respect to Jesus (pbuh) as they just need him as their bill payer, the one who will pay for their sins. Are you Christian? How much do you act upon the teachings of Jesus (PBUH)? And more important are you the real believer? But you don’t have to answer my questions but please think about these in your own spare time.
Jourdain – Why do you have problem with (pbuh)? Muslims believe it more to be respect. How do you call someone you don’t know much if say for example his name is John Smith? Would you call John or would you call Mr Smith? But then again why would Christians give any respect to Jesus (pbuh) as they just need him as their bill payer, the one who will pay for their sins. Are you Christian? How much do you act upon the teachings of Jesus (PBUH)? And more important are you the real believer? But you don’t have to answer my questions but please think about these in your own spare time.
Keyplus - "... Narrow minded people; they feel threatened even when someone wants to show them what Islam is really about, hospitality, love, care, and respect..."
Creepy, people ask other people in on-line forums to meet them in person in order to "debate". Normal, rational people keep their on-line discussions on-line.
As for what Islam is really about, we already know as you have obligingly stated exactly what a self-confessed "moderate" muslim advocates and believes in:
1. the abolition of democracy;
2. the imposition of sharia law on the whole of the UK population;
3. threats of violence to anyone who opposes your views;
4. rejection of observable science over religious dogma;
5. the marriage of little girls to grown men;
6. chopping off of the hands of thieves as punishment for their crime.
I don't see much "hospitality, love, care and respect" in that list.
Creepy, people ask other people in on-line forums to meet them in person in order to "debate". Normal, rational people keep their on-line discussions on-line.
As for what Islam is really about, we already know as you have obligingly stated exactly what a self-confessed "moderate" muslim advocates and believes in:
1. the abolition of democracy;
2. the imposition of sharia law on the whole of the UK population;
3. threats of violence to anyone who opposes your views;
4. rejection of observable science over religious dogma;
5. the marriage of little girls to grown men;
6. chopping off of the hands of thieves as punishment for their crime.
I don't see much "hospitality, love, care and respect" in that list.
Yes, did lose a little bit of weight (but I have never been over weight as I am a sportsman). Because had 5 days in NY with two of my sons, then after just one week at home I went to Istanbul for 4 days and then onto Pakistan for 3 weeks. And all that time and at all of those places miles and miles of walking. And this photo was in hilly areas of Pakistan at around 13500 above sea level at Babusar Pass.
Keyplus
I notice you've completely ignored my above post where I listed all the things you have quite clearly and unequivocally stated in the past. Why is that I wonder?
You've recently claimed to be a "moderate muslim" and had the audacity to say that most people who know you believe this to be the case: "... If you ask me as a moderate Muslim (few will even argue about me calling myself moderate)..." [14:24 Fri 16th Oct 2015].
Your ridiculous and fatuous claim is demonstrably false as I have shown above by listing six things you have argued in favour of in the recent past.
Please explain to me and others how a "moderate" person, muslim or otherwise, would argue for the abolition of democracy in favour of a theocracy and for imposing a brutal, totalitarian, fascistic rule of law on the populous, is in any way concordant with the word "moderate".
I notice you've completely ignored my above post where I listed all the things you have quite clearly and unequivocally stated in the past. Why is that I wonder?
You've recently claimed to be a "moderate muslim" and had the audacity to say that most people who know you believe this to be the case: "... If you ask me as a moderate Muslim (few will even argue about me calling myself moderate)..." [14:24 Fri 16th Oct 2015].
Your ridiculous and fatuous claim is demonstrably false as I have shown above by listing six things you have argued in favour of in the recent past.
Please explain to me and others how a "moderate" person, muslim or otherwise, would argue for the abolition of democracy in favour of a theocracy and for imposing a brutal, totalitarian, fascistic rule of law on the populous, is in any way concordant with the word "moderate".
Yes, it is true that I don't have enough time for you because I have answered all more than once and you keep on repeating. And that was the only reason why come and see me face to face because then you would not hide behind a pixel and will not keep on wasting time. All I can say here that a Muslim should just be Muslim and nothing more nothing less. These terms moderate etc are the creation of the West and so is extremist. I see Islam one way and you see another way and that is the reason that whatever I would say you will never understand and will not even try to understand. So don't waste my time and if you have any question then let me know where, when, and among which of the people you would like to see me. And once again you are a time waster and that is the reason I ignore you. And I will keep on doing that. Thank You.
Keyplus
Avoiding the difficult questions again eh?
You say, "... These terms moderate etc are the creation of the West and so is extremist...".
I didn't describe you as a "moderate muslim". I repeated what you said yourself. You were the one who specifically identified yourself as being "moderate". Now you try and distance yourself from the term in a rather silly way by saying that it's a western term. As if that nullifies your previous statement. How very silly you are Keyplus.
You further say, "... if you have any question then let me know where, when, and among which of the people you would like to see me..."
How many times do I have to say it Keyplus? I *never* want to meet you. I believe that you wish to do me harm and the reason I believe this is precisely because you keep asking to meet me face to face. Accept it Keyplus - you and I will never meet. Get over it.
You further say, "... And once again you are a time waster and that is the reason I ignore you...". How am I a "time waster"?
I ask you questions and I remind you and others of what you have said previously. If you wish to ignore me, do so. But don't engage with me and then accuse me of being a time waster! No one forces you to come on AB. Whether you ignore me or not, I shall continue to interject on threads where you claim to be a "moderate muslim" and I shall constantly remind people what it is you actually believe.
I know why you do it. I really do. I know full well why you try and convince people that you are a nice man and that Islam is peaceful and harmless. You have fully embraced the Islamic concepts of kitman and taqiyya and are actively putting these concepts into practising on this website.
Avoiding the difficult questions again eh?
You say, "... These terms moderate etc are the creation of the West and so is extremist...".
I didn't describe you as a "moderate muslim". I repeated what you said yourself. You were the one who specifically identified yourself as being "moderate". Now you try and distance yourself from the term in a rather silly way by saying that it's a western term. As if that nullifies your previous statement. How very silly you are Keyplus.
You further say, "... if you have any question then let me know where, when, and among which of the people you would like to see me..."
How many times do I have to say it Keyplus? I *never* want to meet you. I believe that you wish to do me harm and the reason I believe this is precisely because you keep asking to meet me face to face. Accept it Keyplus - you and I will never meet. Get over it.
You further say, "... And once again you are a time waster and that is the reason I ignore you...". How am I a "time waster"?
I ask you questions and I remind you and others of what you have said previously. If you wish to ignore me, do so. But don't engage with me and then accuse me of being a time waster! No one forces you to come on AB. Whether you ignore me or not, I shall continue to interject on threads where you claim to be a "moderate muslim" and I shall constantly remind people what it is you actually believe.
I know why you do it. I really do. I know full well why you try and convince people that you are a nice man and that Islam is peaceful and harmless. You have fully embraced the Islamic concepts of kitman and taqiyya and are actively putting these concepts into practising on this website.
@birdie
You know, you could have offered him Trafalgar Square and in the presence of a few dozen Police officers, which would remove all chance of any physical set-to but we know that he is particularly keen on knowing what you look like and who knows what could follow from that?
If he doesn't care whether you or any other ABer knows what he looks like then he would have a full-face pic as his avatar.
Meanwhile:
//hospitality, love, care, and respect//
That's just part of being human. One does not even need a god to do all that. Saying that these are *all* that Islam is about surely ignores all the worship-related aspects?
You know, you could have offered him Trafalgar Square and in the presence of a few dozen Police officers, which would remove all chance of any physical set-to but we know that he is particularly keen on knowing what you look like and who knows what could follow from that?
If he doesn't care whether you or any other ABer knows what he looks like then he would have a full-face pic as his avatar.
Meanwhile:
//hospitality, love, care, and respect//
That's just part of being human. One does not even need a god to do all that. Saying that these are *all* that Islam is about surely ignores all the worship-related aspects?
Let's just speculate for a moment about what a meeting with Keyplus would be like. Would he bring a group of "friends" as he has stated previously? And if so, why? Why would a civilised person require a gang of like-minded "friends" to come with him to an intellectual theological debate? I can think of several reasons and none of them end pleasantly for me.
If Keyplus promised to come alone, could he be trusted to do so? I don't believe that he could. He's lied so many times to me and others on AB that he cannot be taken at this word. I have every reason to believe that he would double-cross me if I were to agree to any terms he cared to make.
Another interesting question is, what form would this hypothetical debate take? Would it be a structured debate where each of us got to speak uninterrupted for 10 minutes? Or would it be a to-and-fro affair? And who would arbitrate? His friends perhaps?
The more you think about it, the more absurd his claim to want to debate me face to face becomes. It is crystal clear that Keyplus has absolutely no intention of meeting me to engage in civilised debate. He wants to meet me in order to do me harm and/or to find out what I look like so that he can arrange for harm to be done to me at a later date.
What other possible explanation can there be for him wanting to meet me in person?
So come on Keyplus - explain yourself.
If Keyplus promised to come alone, could he be trusted to do so? I don't believe that he could. He's lied so many times to me and others on AB that he cannot be taken at this word. I have every reason to believe that he would double-cross me if I were to agree to any terms he cared to make.
Another interesting question is, what form would this hypothetical debate take? Would it be a structured debate where each of us got to speak uninterrupted for 10 minutes? Or would it be a to-and-fro affair? And who would arbitrate? His friends perhaps?
The more you think about it, the more absurd his claim to want to debate me face to face becomes. It is crystal clear that Keyplus has absolutely no intention of meeting me to engage in civilised debate. He wants to meet me in order to do me harm and/or to find out what I look like so that he can arrange for harm to be done to me at a later date.
What other possible explanation can there be for him wanting to meet me in person?
So come on Keyplus - explain yourself.
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