There really isnt any answer is there?
The human mind (intellect etc) is so ifentisamly small compared to the vastness off the universe that its imposible to tell what the meaning of existance is (if indeed it has any meaning at all). Maybe I'm having a mid life crises...I dont know... but I'm sure that the answer doesnt lie in the so called 'revealed' religions.
I'm equally sure that we cannot know all that much from science as its still in its infancey and cant answer the questions that Ive asked before on here.
All questions and no conclusive answers.....
Am I wrong??
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wizard66 Sun 30/11/08 20:19
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Hello Wiz,
I think no amount of scientific research, belief in a religion or scientific research on beliefs or religious research into science or...........Oh never mind!
Anyway, maybe the meaning of life will only come to light when we're dying.
Up to now I think the only thing to do is live,learn,love and do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.
I've been searching for forty-plus years myself and although I enjoy the search for truth for our being on this piddly planet, the answers are still no closer.
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wrong wizard i can see one there ^
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There are no conclusive answers at the moment, Wiz, but unless we maintain our curiosity, there never will be. Discovery is usually the direct result of an inquiring mind - and long may it continue.
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The truth is where you find it and how you define it, it's how that truth is expressed that the trouble begins.
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I agree with what Everton said. Plus of course human intellect is limited and I have always said that. That is another reason why God sent his messengers who were superior than ordinary people and knew more with the help of God. I know that is religious perspective and not every one would believe in that. But still to this age religions tell you what science still has to discover, so science indeed is in its infancy. But human has enough intellect to compare what religions say and what science has to-date proved as a fact and not theory any more. Then compare religious teachings in the light of scientific facts and decide.
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"The truth is where you find it and how you define it, it's how that truth is expressed that the trouble begins"
I dont understand that in the slightest - where do you find it and what is it?
How do you know what it is, even if you do find it?
Im sure you know what you mean, Everton, but that is one of the most bizarre comments i've ever read! lol
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Oh, don't even go there, MrBounty. Everton is a law unto himself where the definition of the word 'truth' is concerned.
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Bounty, I am a Christain the truth for me is that Jesus is the son of God etc.
Keyplus is a Muslim, the truth for him is that Mohammed is God's prophet etc.
Waldo is an atheist the truth for him is none of the above as everything is chemical reactions and random etc.
Naomi, is an enigma, the truth for her is that aliens did something to life on earth, and that the truth an only be verified by science because the methodology can be agreed and the results conclusive (although "not necessarily"), which is great for her until it disagrees with her own personal experience (which "is'nt necessarily proof") in which case science goes out the window.
There is nothing wrong in allowing science to determine your attitudes, there is nothing wrong in lauding it as a way to live one's life, but if you don't stick to it you can stand accused of hypocrisy.
So one of us IS a law unto themselves, I'll leave that to you to decide.
The truth (certainly in philosophy) is what you believe it to be, if you express your truths as a means to hurt, bait and berate others then there's a problem.
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You’ve shot yourself in the foot by illustrating my point admirably, Everton - except in one respect. I have never proclaimed my beliefs to be the ‘truth’ because, just like yours, they are unproven theories. According to you, Keyplus knows the truth, Waldo knows the truth, and you know the truth. One of you may be right, but since your beliefs differ, you can’t possibly all be right. Not surprising MrBounty thinks your comments are bizarre.
One shouldn’t allow science or anything else to positively determine attitudes unless proof is evident. Although religion demands that its adherents remain faithful at all costs, science isn’t a religion, and hence, it doesn‘t demand that same blind faith. By its very nature science allows freedom of thought, it allows the freedom to accept or deny until absolute proof is provided, and therefore hypocrisy isn’t an issue.
I am pleased to say that, yes, I am a law unto myself as far as my beliefs are concerned. I would never surrender my intellectual independence, or my integrity, on the unverified word of others, so thank you for the compliment. As for expressing your truths as a means to hurt, bait and berate others, yes that does create a problem, as your track record clearly shows.
You and I (and Waldo) have been down this definition of truth path before - and it’s been long, tedious, and futile, so enough.
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Deny a verifiable truth? You'd never do such a thing, would you?
You see Naomi, I actually think you've identified the simple problem of the notion of there being only one truth.
Some examples, answer them truthfully, if you're answers are the truth then there's no room for dissent.
Genereal Sir Douglas Haig (commander of the B.E.F 1915 to 1918) was one of the worst commanders of his generation.
The crew of the Californian sat and watched Titanic sink without rendering assistance.
You might'nt be a history buff so lets try something recent, Margaret Thatcher was the worst Prime Minister Britain's ever had.
Are any of these statements truthful? If not how truthful is the counter argument? We all of us see things interpret and equate them differently and that becomes the truth, because the truth is were you find it based on experience and interpretation.
The truth for you is that MMR is unsafe, the truth for me and many others is that is, who's right? Are the scientists who verify this fact liars? You say nothing will change your mind on the subject, how is that not intellectual surrender?
You know better than anyone that it's so much easier to criticise a viewpoint than to espouse one.
If there were only one truth then sites like this would'nt exist.
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Everton - Sorry to say but you have asked two historically wrong questions.
1 - Naomi was not among the crew of californian, she was not on Titanic either, what a shame, at least she would have prayed for the safety of the people.
2 - You are asking Naomi to be truthful.
Good luck.
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Oh dear, the double act is back on stage. Everton, you don’t realise it, but you've illustrated my point yet again. Since you don’t appear to be capable of comprehending the fact that belief is not necessarily truth, and since I can’t be bothered to go through this ridiculous argument again, I’ll just say what you want to hear - that you, Keyplus and Waldo all have very different opinions on the same subject - and all three of you are right - in the very same way that Mrs Thatcher was the worst prime minister ever according to you, but to her supporters she was the best. Of course you’re all right. Ain’t it the truth? Bizarre indeed. :o/
Keyplus, this isn’t he first time you’ve implied that I’m dishonest, and I find it highly offensive, so how about giving me the opportunity, just for once, to defend the allegation by telling me where you think I have been untruthful? Come on, Keyplus, time to stand up and be counted. I’m waiting for your evidence. And how about answering my question from the other thread too? Just why are you so insecure in your own intellect that you continually crave the support of others? If there‘s a bandwagon to jump on, you‘re first in the queue - even if it means resorting to dishonest personal insults in order to denigrate anyone who disagrees with you. Very commendable, I’m sure.
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So what is the truth Naomi?
QUESTION all the scientists who say MMR is safe are they liars?
From what it appears to me what you're suggesting is the only truth with proof that is 100% verifiable is mathematics.
I think the problem you have is that you are unable to accept that some people disagree with you, it seems completely beyond your comprehension that somebody cannot share your world view, because your world view is so unnerringly right, you've certainly never admitted to being wrong, even when it's been proven. Your defence when it is demonstrated is to cry bully and ganging up on you, but you're more than happy to pile into others with a group, it is after all an open forum.
The reason you suffer these accusations (if you will) is because unlike Waldo, Mibs, Chaka, Octavius etc is that when they speak they speak with clarity, certainty and above all else consistency.
On a different thread you asked why do theists think their right? The same could be asked of you, as a theist I will say clearly that my way is right for me, that Waldo's way is right for him etc.
I'll repeat the questions to save you scanning your eyes up again.
What is the truth?
Are the scientists who say MMR is safe liars?
Is there a conspiracy to suppress the information on MMR to save the government money?
Did aliens descend from space and alter life on earth?
4 questions please answer truthfully.
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Everton, you do make me laugh. Your logic is completely skew-whiff. How can you possibly prove someone wrong when they have never claimed to be right?
This is what I said earlier in this very thread. I have never proclaimed my beliefs to be the ‘truth’ because, just like yours, they are unproven theories.
Whenever I meet up with this great double act of you and Keyplus (whom you will note hasn't returned with the requested evidence), for your own half-baked reasons, and with your own half-baked logic, it seems that you are both clearly desperate to discredit me, and you turn every thread, regardless of the original question, into a personal attack - so, yes, it does smack of bullying, However, sadly for you, bullies never have worried me, because I know they're weak, so you're wasting your time. The thing is you are fully aware that you are doing it deliberately, otherwise you would never have said The reason you suffer these accusations.... , but neither of you ever come up with any evidence to support your silly claims - you just make it up as you go along - so it's completely futile. To anyone with an iota of sense, that speaks for itself, I reckon. Never mind, Everton. You clearly can't help yourself. Thanks for the laugh anyway. That was really funny.
Incidentally, the question of why theists think they're right wasn't mine. I simply agreed with the questioner that I would like an answer to that too. See what I mean? You make it up as you go along. Any port in a storm, eh, Everton?
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In answer to theism I am right for me, Keyplus is right for him and Waldo and so on.
How can you profess logic when the evidence evaluated to the terms and the scrutiny you expect is flatly rejected by you because of personal experience which in itself is apparently not necessarily evidence? If you cannot see the dichotomy in that then you should have gone to Specsavers, you're wholly inconsistent.
I'm not a bully, I speak as I'm spoken too you just dislike your medicine, it appears to me that the only truth you ascribe to is disbelief.
And you still have'nt answered the 4 questions I asked you, but hey ho lets go round the mulberry bush again.
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Everton, you really should be on the stage, you know. Have a good day. :o)
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naomi24
Mon 08/12/08
09:42 “…….Keyplus (whom you will note hasn't returned with the requested evidence),
At least you do think that every question, isn’t it?, wouldn’t it? Shouldn’t it etc etc must be answered.
You just do not understand that people just are not giving enough importance to you due to your thick attitude .
And by the way if so far you haven’t worked that out then let me tell you. Its not only me, few others think that too.
Any way, last one out please switch the ……………………..
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Oh dear, the other half of the double act is back. But what's this? No evidence to back up his insults? No surprise there then.
From your infantile rantings, Keyplus, it seems your light has already been switched off.
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The truth is.....there is no spoon!!
truth is relevant to the individual (hense the many colourful ppl here) and based greatly on selective perception
Everyone should be able or ready to leave their truths/errors behind and accept new truths, but many ppl are unwilling to admit they are wrong.
thats what life is all about.......having questions and......... looking for answers......... we spend our whole life searching...
and the only true place to find ones answers is within ones self!!!!!
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