Is it all its cracked up to be?
Theres been a few people on here...including myself....who have bared there souls, warts 'n' all when they have been going through a bad patch (obviously thinking of Theland at the mo). If "thinking positive" is all that needs to be done...as some new age gurus would have us believe...life would be a sinch. The point Im making is that no matter how much I say that weeds dont grow in my garden, weeds will grow.
Obviously if you can find an alternative to your predicament, you would, but sometimes is life just sh!t and we have to ride it through the best we can?
wizard66 Thurs 03/07/08 20:58
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there are research findings - sorry I don't have links - suggesting that people who 'fight' when they have cancer or other illnesses recover better than those who are more fatalistic about it. This won't stop your weeds growing but it might mean your mind has some influence over your body (which is not really such a crazy proposition, after all).
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In religious terms, more specifically Christianity, there is a, "Word Faith," movement, otherwise referred to as, "name it and claim it."
This promises what is says, to simply believe and it's yours, and is the grist to the mill of the money preachers, the televangelists who constantly quote Malachi 3 to get the unwary to part with their money.
As jno says, a positive attitude can help holistically the physical health, but then of course, a fatalistic attitude does have its own attractions don't you think?
I think it is quite an achievement to accept your lot in life, and quit fighting, but then there is a time and a place for every point on the emotional spectrum I suppose?
I do believe that prayer works, but not in the way that the worldly onlooker might expect.
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jno...not crazy at all. Heard of Norman Cousins? Fought off a so called 'terminal' disease with laughter therapy.
But when it comes to other things in life???
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whether with positive thinking or anything else, you can only change yourself, wizard. Which is why when someone posts in Relationships about awful husbands or girlfriends I tell them you can't change them, all you can change is what you do about it.
You can get weedkiller from Homebase, though.
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I wouldn't necessarily go along with the New Age Gurus, but positive thinking is essential in life - and no Theland, I don't think a fatalistic attitude has any attraction whatsoever unless you're happy to see yourself as a perpetual victim. People who have a fatalistic attitude frequently enjoy wallowing in their own, often self-made, misery, living in a hopeless, clouded, world, seeking and relishing sympathy. Life throws bad times at all of us, and we can't prevent that, but the only way to deal with it is to remain strong, look the problem squarely in the eye, deal with it in the best way we can, and ride out the storm. Weeds grow in every garden, and will encroach upon every corner if we let them, but we have a choice. We can either don our wellies and protective gloves and go out there and pull them out, or we can sit by and watch them strangle our roses - and if we do that, we can no longer enjoy our beautiful garden.
This reminds me of a friend of mine when asked to come out for an evening. She thought for a moment and then said 'No, I'd better not. I might have a headache'. Result - she never goes anywhere, but spends her life miserable, moaning and worrying about her health - and there's absolutely nothing wrong with her. What a waste.
Grab life by the horns and beat it - otherwise you allow it to beat you. You do have a choice.
And remember the Life of Brian ...... Always look on the bright side of life, de dum, de dum de dum de dum. (Sorry, Luna, I did my best!). Try it because it works!!
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Well I always think that an optimist's life is full of nasty shocks but a pessimist's life is full of nice surprises.
I find that as long as I don't start to be pessimistic *about* the nice surprises it works for me
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I don't know any pessimists that see much good in anything. They'll always find something to moan about.
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Positie thinkers are more inclined to take risks (postive fools take stupid risks) personally I can't abide people who say "live every day like it's your last" (what? Drag an iron lung around with a tube stuck up my ar5e) well one day you will be right, for 70 odd years you'll be wrong which is rather a long time to be wrong.
Then you've got the ones who drive around in mud splattered 4x4s with the slogan "one life live it", great idea live your life driving round field churning it all up a group of ramblers might want to walk through the quagmire you leave behind, an artist might one to paint a nice picture, a farmer may (almost certainly will) want to graze that field. The slogan should read "One life live it, selfishly", Woodstock's another example 250,000 people tuning turning on and dropping out, only to be followed by 100s of others cleaning up there mess for them.
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i totally believe in positive thinking.
years ago i'd had enough and didn't see a way out....i won't bore you with details
my friend who is very spiritual did my cards (tarot) and told me a few home truths then went on to say that i'm always negative and to start thinking positive.
all of a sudden things got better for me and i got my-self out of the silly rut i was in and started to live life to the full.
all you need is great friends and total support...
thats what i believe :-)
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It's obviously being so happy that keeps you going, Everton. As I said, pessimists will always find something to moan about.
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That should be "their" mess.
I'm going into one now!
I always hope for the best and plan for the worst (works for me) ultimately there is no panacea to life's issues and we all live our lives in the way we see fit, I tend to think of the old poem "most things in life are froth and bubble, but two things stand out like stone, kindness in another's trouble, and courage in one's own."
Well two post to one question and my answer can be summed up thus it's one thing to think positively, it's another to act positively (and decisively).
I wish I'd written that first, it would of saved all alot of time!!
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Jane, nice thought, but not everyone has great friends and total support, so rather than rely upon others, I think we have to take responsibility for ourselves.
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I don't plan for anything, Everton. I take life as it comes - and deal with it appropriately.
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i know naomi, great friends are hard to come by. i was lucky.
i did help my-self but also asked others for advice, just to be sure i was on the right path
if it wasn't for her i would probably not be here now.
i would like to think if anyone who needs friends could rely on me for support because i've been there, had the help and want to be there for those who need help.
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You sound a very caring girl, Jane, so it's not surprising you have good friends. x
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No need to apologise Naomi for your singing.
For one I can say I have had more downs than ups in my life so far I realised that a lot of that was accentuated by myself and some created by myself aswell.
Unless the situation that starts the spiral downward turning is completely out of our hands then I am all for making the best of my time on this planet.
There's enough really bad stuff going on in the world without us adding to the mix.
That doesn't mean I go around with blinkers on though.
Helping others is a positive.
Caring for the people of the world whether it be the neighbour or a total stranger or someone a thousand miles away all gives back to the cosmos.
We can't change everything but there's no harm in having a go if it's to benefit those we assist.
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I don't know where to begin on the reply side here.
Many years ago when my ex walked out on me, it knocked me for six I was on the floor almost down and out. Now I could've snowballed all the things in my life into one long litany of woes, 15 ops and so on, but I did'nt. I got on with it, she'd gone, she was'nt coming back and I was'nt going to go after her begging, I identified the problem, formulated an answer and acted upon it.
We all make plans (even though they "gang aft aglee"), move house in a few years, promotion, new job, new schools, you have to adapt to life's events it's true. But you should (to my mind) have a goal to aim for to drive you forward, I always have and I've achieved 70% of my life's goals that I set at the age of 18, within the next 2 years (God willing) I'll achieve the other 30%. Then I (sorry we, have to get used to that) have to set a whole new load of goals to aim for.
Children are (usually) very optimistic but they have an adult to clear up their mess which is basically my mindset. An adult should take care of their business, an adult has to cope.
Touche' on the sarcasm earlier Naomi, like it.
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Everton. can you tell me what 'gang aft aglee' means please? I've never heard of that.
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I believe positive thinking is as you call it being content and patient for what you have. Others may not have even that. I said before that my mum always said, “my dear never look at someone with more than you but at someone with less than you and never count God’s blessings upon you in £££££”.
If you be happy and accept whatever comes as will of God then you will never have a complaint to make. Many would never understand this. Secondly human should understand and indulge yourself into this world as much as you know you would be here and what would you take with you from here. That solves many problems, and rest after few hours as I am off to my Friday prayer.
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Robbie Burns'
To a Mouse, On Turning Up Her Nest With a Plough
But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men
Gang aft agley
An'lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!
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