why doesnt racism cut two ways?
Ive heard it all now?
Had to attend the council office today after my next door neighbours Have complained that Im Making too much noise (kids shouting, doors slamming etc...all of which we can hear from theire side as well, walls like tissue paper). After talking for some time I made the comment that Ive NEVER reported anyone to the council as I find it petty, in spite of the fact that some time ago my neighbours and their friends had a midnight barbaque and were slagging England off and saying that Bin Laden was the man to sort the UK out (they are all foriegners who have come to live in the UK). According to the council this is all right as its only a matter of opinion.
I then asked what if I were to sit in my garden with friends and discussed bringing back the slave trade (as its only a matter of opinion) OH NO! Cant do that...thatll be classed as racist apparently.
Isnt it great to live in a multi culteral society?
wizard66 Mon 28/07/08 21:07
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I think living in a multi cultural society is great.
What I am unsure about is the connexion you have made between your neighbours apparently being 'allowed' to make anti British comments which applaud the actions of a terrorist, the suggestion that a whole race be objectified, de humanised and be at the control of others, and how this all links to multi culturism
Presumably you consider the view of the council employee is wrong, stupid at fault. Why is his/her misguided/wrongness attributable to the fact that there are many cultures within Britain. Some of those different cultures are after all home grown and indigenous.
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Hi Mate, sorry to hear your going through some hard times with your neighbours at the moment. I've been in a similar position, once my Dad got beat up by someone in my street and the police were not interested. It was terrible.
I think your problem is that you direct all your anger and frustrations in life towards race and religion. I mean you were always going barmy and making threats because other people believed in something you thought was illogical and silly, these days your going barmy about sceptics. I think it may do you good to just try to walk away from the religion/belief subject for a while and be content to believe in what you believe.
I think your wrong about the race thing. I mean your allowed to hold whatever opinion you want, and discuss whatever you want with your friends. It's just when it starts to incite people and incite violence that it becomes a problem, and if the police become involved they will just try to keep the peace. Besides Wiz you yourself were preaching genocide and murder on here a few months ago so your next exactly Mr Innocent when it comes to this subject.
I hope you manage to sort everything out or at least move away to a different area.
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wizard you are a racist loony with a religon complex. i'm not suprised your neighbors complain about you and wind you up with you sick ideas and behaviour. get a life you pr1ck.
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slagging England off and saying that Bin Laden was the man to sort the UK out
If this is what you said to the council official then it doesn't seem to be racist.
Unless of course slagging England off is only allowed if you are white and English (look in the news section and you will find lots of references to what's happened to this once great country and Brown is a nightmare and The Queen is just an ordinary person and the monarchy should be removed. This is slagging off our country and our leaders.
With regards Bin Laden being the man to sort England out - well that is a matter of opinion. Personally, I think he is dead. Is it right to support a terrorist - the obvious answer is no - but of course one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. I am sure that there are many South Africans who would call Nelson Mandela a terrorist.
If they had said that Bin Laden should bomb the whole country and that they would support this idea, then yes, that is obviously wrong. But it appears that they didn't.
Interestingly, if you look at the right wing press and the more right wing people on this site, you will find that they do wish for a criminal justice system that is more alike to Sharia Law than British Law.
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Well racism aside...wy do foreigner feel it is there right to come into the country and thereafter complain what a mess it is? If you don't like it and won't contribute anything worthwhile then why stay?!!!
and by the way...I CAN comment cos I am a foreigner originally (lived here ten years now) and got tired pretty soon of meeting with all my fellow foreigners for social things cos all they do is sit around whinging about a) what mess this place is and b) how much "better" things are at "home"...well if it's that much better then go back is what I say to them!
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wy do foreigner feel it is there right to come into the country and thereafter complain what a mess it is? If you don't like it and won't contribute anything worthwhile then why stay?!!!
Can you tell me a Utopian country?
I would say that over 90% of the people in this country have some sort of issue with the state of the country - be it high petrol prices, unemployment figures or anti social behaviour.
Are you saying that if you are foreign you aren't allowed to complain, but if you are born in the UK, it's okay?
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I am sick and tired of been called a racist. I have german and polish relatives, chinese neighbours, My local shop is run by Turks (who would put any Englishman to shame by how hard they work) I was best man at a friends wedding (he is black) There are Asian parents at my kids kickboxing club who I get on great with but for some reason Im a racist looney because I object to neighbours supporting the blowing up of innocent people (by the same token, I must be anti British because I also find the UK's stance on Iraq, Afganistan etc to be immoral also).
The point I was making is that it appears ok to have an opinion as long as it doesnt upset immigrants.
Why could I not have an opinion about slavery?
(and no, I dont condone it. The question was hypothetical)
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Oneeyevic, EVERYONE complains about something in their country but saying that a world wide wanted criminal is the one to sort that country out is no more right than saying that bringing back slavery is right and yet one is apparently acceptable whilst the other is not. Some discrepency there you would agree?
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In your hypothetical, I have no issue with you having thoughts and discussions about bringing back slavery.
I don't think you are racist, but then I don't particularly know you and haven't seen that many of your posts.
There is a difference between what you originally posted which was saying that Bin Laden was the man to sort the UK out and I object to neighbours supporting the blowing up of innocent people
A lot of people on the site (and around the country) support Nelson Madela and think he was good for South Africa - they do not however think of him as a terrorist and former leader of Spear of Nation.
People supported Churchill - does that mean that they condoned the bombing of Dresden?
You are accusing your neighbours of being racist, and they may well be - but from what you said in your first post, they may not be. Calling for slavery is racist (on the basis that racism is believing that one race is superior to another race)
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Therefor calling for a man who wants the world to be dominated by islam by any means must also be wrong.
I fail to see the difference.
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Prehaps if you had replaced the slavery question with something like ' they should consider how good our leaders would be in running their country of origin,' that would not have been considered racist.
I understand what your getting at.
It feels like a group of ungrateful foriegners coming here and taking our jobs and money and then berating the country that would seem to have given them a better standard of living. If so many of them hate us why are they here?
I don't know. I'm not right wing and I don't read the press because I know they are trouble makers so am I racist or am I just protecting the country that is mine?
Do I have the right to defend my country against people who are happy to live here but moan about it. I think I do but not with the salvery issue.
So often in this country we don't help ourselves. There are still plenty of the old guard who think we should still be ruling the world. But I don't think that if some one goes to another country for a better way of life that they should then berate it.
As pointed out if you don't like it here go home or find a country you do like.
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no oneye i am not saying only people born here have a right to complain however...
in my experience ...this country (UK) has been gracious enough to allow me to settle here and therefore whilst I might disagree with some things i CHOOSE to stay here.
If I disagreed so strongly (or though bin laden could do a better job for example) then surely I should move somewhere that was more in turn with my own belief system?
When you move to a new country a person should do their best to intergrate themselves into society and basically accept their new homes rules / traditions etc. That is not to say you forsake all your own beliefs (religion etc) but you need to embrace the ethos of your new home country ...
that s what worked for me and allowed me to feel like ngland is now my home
when speaking to my friends who are also immigrants they seems to feel more is WRONG with this country than there is RIGHT...and that pee's me off.
Sorry i took a while to respond - i have time off work and am studying today (but can't help checking AB every now and then).
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noknowledge - well done, you have learnt how to copy and paste - try communicating your thoughts next.
wizard - to be pedantic, he doesn't want the world to be dominated by Islam. He wants America out of the Middle East, he wants to see the elimination of Israel, and for America to reject the "immoral acts of fornication (and) homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury,"
He is racist towards Jews.
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tigerlily, just read your other post on S&C., hope you get it together with your letter. Must be really tough at the moment for you.
Ive had many friends over the years of different nationalities but my concern is over those who wish to erode our democratic way of life. And if im not entitled to hold a similar opinion as them then its already started.
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oneeye, its going of the point slightly, but Bin Laden (or his supporters) have no right to tell the USA or any other democratic country how to live. People in the west drink, have premarital sex, gamble etc. It might not be to your taste but he has no right to impose his religious / culteral beliefs on the rest of the world. But by the same token neither has the USA and I dont know why they think that they have the right to police the rest of the world.
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Evendawn I disagree with a lot of whats happening here.
But if I went to live in say Canada I wouldn't start complaining about it. Canada is a for instance and I have no plans to leave dear old Blighty right now.
I would respect that countries ways and laws instead of trying to change them to suit me as seems to be the case here at the moment if the media is to be believed.
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noknowledge, you'r having a larf, surely?
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People seem to have a big phobia about people changing laws and customs inthis country.
I don't understand why, since that has been happening for years.
50 years ago, it was acceptable to have a sign outside a B&B saying "No pets, Irish or blacks".
Should the Irish and Blacks just accepted this?
30 years ago it would be acceptable for an employer to state two different wages - one for men and one for women.
Should women have accepted this?
We live in a democracy, and part of that is the fact that laws and customs change - some for the perceived good and some for the perceived bad.
There are plenty of people who think that both the above examples are unacceptable. There are employers who don't think that women should be paid the same as men - are they wrong?
People obviously have a decision as to where they live - and for a lot of people the grass is always greener on the other side.
Presumably if a foreigner lives here, then they like certain aspects of this country - but more than likely don't like other aspects. Most people always complain about the things that they don't like and rarely talk about the good things in their life.
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