Banning The Sale Of Cars Run Solely On Fossils Fuels By 2040 A Good Idea?

[willbewhatiwill]

Everyone wants clean environment to live in. New technologies, education & governmental incentives & legislation can help to curb pollution of carbon dioxide, plastics, smog, toxins, etc. Banning the sale of cars run solely on fossils fuels by 2040 is an example of governmental incentives & legislation to curb pollution.

There is no doubt that CO2 (carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere give rise to the ‘greenhouse’ effects. This is not only witnessed on earth but in all planets in the universe. Also, there is no denying CO2 also cause climate change & extreme weather. Look at the recent unprecedented diminishing ice caps in the Polar Regions.

Global warming is real CO2 was around 280 ppm during Industrial Revolution. In 1958, atmospheric CO2 was at 315 ppm and was 340 ppm in 1988. Atmospheric CO2 first exceeded 400 ppm since record began on 10 May 2013.

About half of all fossil fuels had been burnt since the industrial revolution & has given raise nearly a degree centigrade rise in global temperatures. Thus if the rest of fossil fuels are burnt a total of about 2 degree centigrade rise will be likely.

Hotter air can cause extreme climate. Global warming of around 2 degrees centigrade will cause increased coastal flooding, as well as more drought & famine - turning agricultural land into desert (in an era of exponential population rises).

[Zacs-Master]

Very good. But I'm pretty sure 'This is not only witnessed on earth but in all planets in the universe' is incorrect. In fact I'm certain.

[dannyk13]

Are HGV's then going to banned from towns as the pollute the air just as much,if not more , than cars.

[dannyk13]

^they^

[mikey4444]

Its completely unrealistic, to expect that there will be no new sales of petrol/diesel cars after only 23 years.

If we were to suggest that all new cars will have to be hybrid....well, that is much more likely to happen.

[willbewhatiwill]

Zacs-Master,

Greenhouse effect is present in planets in the universe with high CO2 atmospheric content.

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Venus_Express/Greenhouse_effects_also_on_other_planets states, "For a really strong greenhouse effect, we should look at Venus".

[Zacs-Master]

I don't think it's unrealistic at all. There are quite a few all electric cars on the road already. The problem lies in the fact that cars are getting more reliable and last much longer so there will still be carbon dioxide producing cars on the road long after 2040.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm well aware of planets having a greenhouse effect. But that's not ALL planets in the universe. If you get basic facts like this wrong, it makes me doubt your other 'statistics'.

[Khandro]

The extraordinary hubris surrounding this subject is that there will be a choice. We have squandered one of the earth's valuable resources in just a few generations.
The predictions are - even allowing for new discoveries, that ALL the world's oil will be depleted by 2055

[mikey4444]

Zacs...battery technology at present is entirely insufficient for anything much more than milk floats....that will change of course, but it will have to change considerably for all-electric cars to be a success.
I filled my car up with diesel this morning, and I could drive all the way to Lands End and there would still be fuel left to make it at least half-way back home. If I did need to recharge my fuel tank, it would take about 5 mins, and then I would be on my way again.

There is then the issue of power generation. We are running the great risk at the moment of coming home one winters afternoon, stitching the lights on and nothing happening. If we are going to recharge millions of cars, let alone commercial vehicles all night, where is the extra generating power going to come from. Also, as our railways are being converted to electric, there is the problem of even more extra power generation.

There is also the issue of how most people are going to recharge their cars every night. What if you lived in a flat, or a house directly on the street ? Dangle a 100 foot extension cable out the window ?

As regards the supposedly "free" fuel, in the form of Hydrogen.....how is all this Hydrogen going to be generated without using electricity ?

[Zacs-Master]

Mikey, tell that to Tesla. They've just launched their Model 3. Range of 215 miles and 0-60 in around 6 seconds. Some milk float!
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/model3?redirect=no

[mikey4444]

I think that the Tesla 3 is going to go on sale for about $35,000 dollars. My Fiesta was £12,500.

The present Nissan Leaf is about £21,000.

How long will electric car batteries last, and what would be the cost of replacing them ?

[Zacs-Master]

The tesla is the same price as many other cars. First you claim that could only have milk float performance then when I point out this isn't the case you talk about battery life. I'm pretty sure all companies making electric cars wouldn't last long if the batteries failed frequently. Tesla have been making cars since 2008 and I haven't heard of any major issues, have you?

[bhg481]

I've made that point before Mikey, on other threads on this topic. I came across a figure of around £7000 for a Fiesta-sized car.
If the batteries last 7 years that's £1000 a year.
For a conventional car doing around 10,000 miles a year and 50mpg at £5 a gallon that's also £1000 a year.
So much for "cheap" electric cars.

[bhg481]

Our local bus company invested in quite a large fleet of hybrid buses back in 2011. Since then they've been buying Euro6 etc. I asked one of the drivers why they gave up with hybrids and he said "battery costs".

[Old_Geezer]

Until something better and practical has been established, a B awful idea. Announced just so someone can claim to be doing "something". Unsure I want to pull into a filling station and not be away 5 minutes later. Also we have issues supplying the electricity we already need let alone increasing demand. And generating it with fossil fuelled generators won't achieve anything much. At this stage of applied science it's a nonsense. They'd do better going full tilt at trying to achieve a practical fusion reactor to supply demand cleanly, generally, and leaving vehicles to use convenient fuels but with cleaned up exhaust emissions.

[Zacs-Master]

Tesla warranties its 60-kwh Model S to 125,000 miles, and the 85-kwh version gets unlimited miles.

[willbewhatiwill]

When driving cars powered by fossil fuels becomes outdated what about the future of (1) Restoring classic cars businesses (2) Formula 1?

[mikey4444]

Zacs...Tesla make a very small amount of cars, in America. But Nissan make lots opp north. £21,000 for a car that is no bigger than a Fiesta, but only does 124 miles before you have to pull in, recharge it, and twiddle your thumbs doesn't seem very competitive to me.

But even if Tesla gave its, admittedly, superior battery technology away to all the other manufacturers, there is still the problem of power generation to charge all the many millions of cars.

Electric cars will be the norm at some time in the future, but not in such a short period of time.

And what about the pollution deriving from all those millions of commercial vehicles ? There is no move to outlaw petrol and diesel engines in all those lorries that are thundering down our roads even as we speak.

[Zacs-Master]

1) there will always be classic cars. Market forces will assure this i.e. Rarity = exclusivity= desirability = high prices.
2) Motor racing has already flirted with electric cars.
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en

[Zacs-Master]

I have to disagree Mikey, I believe electric cars will be the norm by 2040.