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This week's puzzle is Key:Cutting by Lavatch


cruciverbali  Fri 04/07/08 16:51
cluelessJoe
Fri 04/07/08
16:59
Usual Friday afternoon thanks C, have a good weekend.
cJ
mad max
Fri 04/07/08
17:06
many thanks for link
midazolam
Fri 04/07/08
18:10
thanks cruciverbalist

first glance there seems a lot going on here from a setter last seen before my time as a listener solver
Rapparee
Fri 04/07/08
20:48
Once again, many thanks for the link, Cruciverbalist.

Lavatch is one of the setters over on the Spectator. He's an 'irregular' though, only contributing maybe 4 or 5 puzzles a year.
I don't recall him setting for the Listener before. His puzzles are usually enjoyable so I'm looking forward to seeing how I get on with this.
Fairly hefty preamble for starters, however!
midazolam
Fri 04/07/08
22:57
3865 Fallout in feb 2006
Rapparee
Sat 05/07/08
21:44
Thanks for researching, Midazolam.
That was quite a while ago but well worth the wait.
As I'd hoped, this latest was a very fine puzzle and most enjoyable.
midazolam
Sat 05/07/08
22:33
yes a nice challenge incorporating letters latent and a dual entry system, but i am not sure there should have been 7 proper nouns not found in chambers
midazolam
Sat 05/07/08
22:37
make that 8
bobbycollins
Mon 07/07/08
12:42
Although I found this pretty difficult, I never came to one of those grinding halts that require a moment of inspiration to surmount.

Thoroughly enjoyed the puzzle, and was sidetracked a couple of times whilst googling to confirm a couple of those proper nouns! One was a first name not confirmed in Chambers - something that I moaned about a few weeks ago.


cluelessJoe
Mon 07/07/08
15:59
Extremely well engineered puzzle, marred only by a couple of iffy clues and the afore-mentioned plethora of proper nouns. Nevertheless on the whole most enjoyable.
Clamzy
Mon 07/07/08
17:30
Talking of iffy clues, does anyone understand the wordplay to 36 across?
Scorpius
Mon 07/07/08
17:49
36 across. If you add the extra letter to your answer you'll have a word synonymous with one of the words in the clue. The one I couldn't make much sense of was 37 across.
I felt there were a couple of dubious definitions that I couldn't find supported in Chambers and some 'unofficial' extraneous words.
It's a very engaging puzzle, though so far I haven't seen what 13-letter name replaces one of the rows (which I have identified). I'm also puzzled that one of the rows would reveal a relevant author with some appropriate changes, but there's nothing in the preamble to suggest that will happen. It strikes me that a lot more needs to change before the theme's last line will appear. I'll give it further close study tomorrow.
Clamzy
Mon 07/07/08
18:02
Sorry for the typo. Of course I meant 37 across.


midazolam
Mon 07/07/08
18:48
i just assumed it was a dual definition to 37 across
Cruncher
Mon 07/07/08
19:56
37ac - marine's lead is an anagram of the answer plus another word in the clue.

Clever puzzle though I found the preamble confusing and unhelpful. But a neat idea - you'll enjoy it when you spot it.

I also thought there were rather too many proper nouns - and thought 23ac a little iffy in terms of historical sensitivities
midazolam
Mon 07/07/08
23:12
oh yes - thank you cruncher, but a strangely worded clue nevertheless
Scorpius
Tue 08/07/08
10:10
If 37 is a composite anagram where is the anagram indication? The question mark? I don't find that terribly satisfactory.
Cruncher
Tue 08/07/08
11:57
I think "rank" serves a dual function. But I agree that there are several clues that are less than syntactically ideal. Clumsiest, in my opinion, was 3,19 down - "in which is unknown..."
cluelessJoe
Tue 08/07/08
15:05
I took the anagram indicator to be the question mark in 37 too - definitely not so good. Agree that 3,19 was probably the clumsiest clue - thought I was never going to rech the end of it. Also a few minor quibbles like the " 's" in 14,21 which is simply not justified in the wordplay.
I guess the editors allowed a good degree of laxity this time round in view of the excellent technical construction.
Flocko
Tue 08/07/08
16:07
14,21: He's = He has...
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