Listener 4248 Class By Augeas
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Question posted by starwalker on 16:26 Fri 28th Jun 2013 in The AnswerBank.enThe AnswerBankSun, 01 Mar 2015 10:55:02 +0000Crosswords1800Yes, a nice gentle run out. Now I can concentrate on helping Andy Murray through his next challenge.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139407Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:28:03 +0100Definitely straightforward, perhaps too so, but with some nice flourishes. Not really sure why highlighting is optional (it's pretty clear which word and what colour to use, after all). Thanks to Augeas for a gentle stroll down memory lane. Now back to the tennis!!
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139449Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:51:22 +0100I suspect that the consensus that will emerge will be 'Enjoyable, if undemanding'. Thanks to Augeas for evoking a pleasant memory.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139554Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:59:02 +0100I have some concerns about the six characters. There seems to be a few possibilities, not being an expert on the subject.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139610Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:36:06 +0100Yes, finished before Andy Murray. This was good fun, but not too taxing. I would suggest that in the light of the word 'characters', the achievement can only be one thing, dead-eye. Perhaps there are other possibilities, but I'm quite happy with my first thought on the matter.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139632Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:55:43 +0100Enjoyable, if undemanding (I'm always one to solidly back a consensus). Knowing nothing of the topic except what the Wiki tells me, I too can't say for sure what the 6 characters should be, but since I don't submit the puzzle I'm not going to worry too much about it.
Out next week, so see you all for 4250.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139720Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:38:40 +0100 Fun, and reminded me of a childhood enthusiasm. Well, if I'm honest, enthusiasm that always reappears in appropriate circumstances. I can see two equally precise ways of entering the achievement, but I'll stick with the traditional version.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139728
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139728Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:40:47 +0100Puzzlement briefly over several of the answers, but that only added to the fun. Whatever the achievement actually was, and precisely where and when, it seems the official or accepted version at the time could have been expressed in six characters, so I'm not going to argue with that. Before my time, but nice to think of a simpler bygone age.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139816Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:20:42 +0100Add me to the consensus. The location is very familiar to me, oddly, so I'm more than happy.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139853
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139853Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:34:38 +0100Yawn.
Z-Cup, please.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8139919Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:05:56 +0100It's heading your way again Alekhine. My vote goes for the enjoyment factor and some pleasant surprises at the end. Thank you Augeas.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140024Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:50:57 +0100Too much ambiguity for me as regards the six characters. A tad disappointingas a result. As I do submit, I hope there will be some due latitude...
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140043
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140043Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:02:07 +0100Nothing to add, enjoyable and undemanding sums it up.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140069Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:16:19 +0100a lot easier than last weeks
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140139Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:44:55 +0100Started late, still finished Friday. One of my most favourite things in the world ever, though not the one featured, but the one named for the creator - she's still alive! I think there are at least four ways of entering 6 characters.
Incidentally, the colour does have a specific munsell value, and in my opinion, nothing else will do!
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140182Fri, 28 Jun 2013 23:10:01 +0100As others have noted, a largely straightforward but enjoyable puzzle.
I hope nobody falls down on the achievement. Wikipedia is ambiguous (even contradictory) in this respect and there are certainly two sets of characters that could be used, though I imagine what's wanted is the historically appropriate ones. I think the puzzle would have been better without this bit, since there's plenty of thematic material in the grid. Failure to get it right would not indicate failure to understand an aspect of the puzzle, but merely failure to locate unambiguously the particular characters that the setter has in mind.
As for the highlighting, I shan't bother because I can see two entries that are relevant in different ways.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140504Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:23:04 +0100To add further coal into the boiler, perhaps a six-letter word (reasonably well defined by the title) could also be used as the "achievement" - although I will submit alphanumeric combo. Shame about this ambiguity but surely the editors will allow one of several alternatives (ancient or modern, with varying degrees of accuracy)...? Won't they?
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140520Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:39:48 +0100Nice to have one I can finish, unlike the last two. But I too have my doubts about what to enter for the achievement. On balance I favour a rather imprecise entry.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140534Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:43:42 +0100Yes, a fast and easy ride. Thanks to Cruciverbalist for the gentle nudge that enabled us to complete, and admire the ingenuity of, 4246, albeit without submitting it, of course. Time now available both to tackle 4247 and watch the tennis and rugby.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140726Sat, 29 Jun 2013 09:54:14 +0100Liked, and hadn't previously heard, the quote from Colin Dexter in the Times the other day to the effect that crosswords are the most civilised and elegant way of wasting time...
Also I see that Azed is one of the winners of Ghost Story.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140929Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:26:44 +0100For anyone looking for a trickier challenge, can I recommend Schadenfreude's latest challenge in CAM 69 (Eccles)? It is available online - I apologise that I cannot provide a link from where I am, but googling CAM69 should do the trick. No Z-Cup on offer.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8140965Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:46:20 +0100Thanks for the reminder, olichant. Maybe unsurprisingly, your suggested google returns plenty of er ... non-crossword-related material, so the following link might be handy:
http://www.alumni.cam.ac.uk/news/cam/cam69/CAM69.pdf
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8141004Sat, 29 Jun 2013 12:17:02 +0100Made it through this one without too much trouble, but pleased that I don't have to do the highlighting as I'm not sure I have the correct colour.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8141118Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:14:09 +0100Texasetes - ugh, yes, I am clearly a prize idiot. But thank you for the link. It is, as you would expect from Schadenfreude, a very clever, tight puzzle -and not the easiest.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8141163Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:36:00 +0100While preparing to print the puzzle from CAM 69, I noticed the winner of CAM 68. Is he someone we might know by a more informal first name?
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8141188Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:51:23 +0100No need to look up anything, so I neither know nor care what Wikipedia says. The thematic clued word fair flew off the page. As to colour, there is only one possibility.
As others have implied, I'd say it should be 8 characters below the grid, but that's being picky.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8141737Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:43:47 +0100It does appear that technically there should be 8 characters, but for anyone agonising over the precise achievement I suggest locating a picture of the achiever on the internet, complete with memorial plaque.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8141778
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8141778Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:04:10 +0100Not a subject that fascinates me, but I would also agree with the pleasant-not-taxing view. Not had much time for Listeners recently, nor much in the next few weeks, so a nice interlude. Not sure about the highlighting, but it's optional anyway. I was quite sure about the six characters until various people here raised doubts, but shall stick with plan A.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8143133Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:30:23 +0100Is 3d an abbreviation?
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8143170Sun, 30 Jun 2013 08:46:06 +0100Patch49, the answer to your question is no.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8143210
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8143210Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:09:19 +0100could anyone tell me how long a brewer's should take to arrive?
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8145534Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:45:19 +0100inanna37 - about two weeks. Congratulations.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8145923Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:55:26 +0100It's only just occurred to me that there are two ways of entering 20 across. One is thematically more appropriate, the other more in keeping with crossing entries. I cannot see any hint in the preamble as to which one to opt for, though I know which I prefer. I wonder if JG will accept either.
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8145925Mon, 01 Jul 2013 06:57:19 +0100Good fun. Can't see your two options, Scorpius, but I can see another chance for a Listener based on the same subject in just over four years!
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http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8147396Mon, 01 Jul 2013 19:03:12 +0100Scorpius - I think I know what you mean about another method of entry for 20A and the related lights (though it would have meant quite a squeeze!). I think the instruction in the preamble about length of grid entries being those in brackets resolves the question.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8151158
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8151158Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:04:26 +0100s_pugh, I don't think the grid entry reference does resolve the issue. That is surely the standard preamble caveat where some answers are longer than the number of cells in the grid, because the setter does not want to reveal from the outset which answers those are. It does not imply that answers are transformed.
If one adopts the option that's easier to fill in, then the crossing entries are not real words, but there's nothing in the preamble to suggest that the final grid contains improper or abnormally expressed answers. For that reason my preference is for the method that is more awkward for the solver to fill in. I don't see how that could possibly be marked wrong.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8151837
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8151837Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:32:08 +0100(If you have access) the solution to eg Listener 3893 gives what was regarded as the right answer in a similar situation (but doesn't mention if the alternative is acceptable or not.)
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8154081
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Quizzes-and-Puzzles/Crosswords/Question1255169.html?answer=8154081Thu, 04 Jul 2013 10:57:22 +0100"All highlighting was ignored when marking entries", which makes me wonder why the possibility was ever mentioned. Either make highlighting mandatory (if it adds to the proof that the solver has understood the theme) or don't ask for it. If it's optional then surely it has to be done correctly.
It's the inconsistency that I don't like; often a cryptic preamble must be interpreted in precisely the intended way so that everything about the submitted grid is just so. Yet here we were invited to do something completely irrelevant.
I wonder how some random highlighting would be regarded in a puzzle which didn't ask for it, even as an option.
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