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Xfactor Final Tonight.
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Well, I didnt expect that result tonight, did you?
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This guy who won ... now that he is officially a professional musician ...
Will he be lining up a load of gigs in venues up and down the country, to sing for the public who supported him? (because that's what "musicians" do ... that's what their job involves)
Gabrielle Aplin, for example, moved here a couple of years ago. If she has nothing to do on a Saturday, she goes and sings in The Lanes ... because she's a musician.
Or will this X Factor guy be spirited away to a studio, until we mere members of the public are offered the "privilege" of buying his heavily engineered "latest release" (lucky us!!), or paying £70 to watch him lip-synch to a "pre record" at the O2 ?
People with musical ability play music, and become "musicians" (including singers).
People without musical ability go on shows like the X Factor, and are turned into "pop stars".
Will he be lining up a load of gigs in venues up and down the country, to sing for the public who supported him? (because that's what "musicians" do ... that's what their job involves)
Gabrielle Aplin, for example, moved here a couple of years ago. If she has nothing to do on a Saturday, she goes and sings in The Lanes ... because she's a musician.
Or will this X Factor guy be spirited away to a studio, until we mere members of the public are offered the "privilege" of buying his heavily engineered "latest release" (lucky us!!), or paying £70 to watch him lip-synch to a "pre record" at the O2 ?
People with musical ability play music, and become "musicians" (including singers).
People without musical ability go on shows like the X Factor, and are turned into "pop stars".
I can say joggerjayne's point.
If you have been in everyone's living rooms for about three months and you don't get the Christmas Number One, then something has gone wrong somewhere.
But will people come and see you in March 2017, and pay for your show, when all the hype has died down, and it's not free and beamed into your home so you don't have to make any effort?
Yes, there are 'winners' in terms of commercial success, but bands like One Direction are simply the figureheads for a massive writing, production and management organisation - they have little if any creative input into what they do.
Add to that, the simple fact that record sales do not equate with talent and musicianship - if they did, then Westlife are superior to Leonard Cohen.
Mass appeal is what it is, and it has a place in music, as it has since the 1960's - but mass appeal is not commensurate with artistry and talent, and that I think it the point that Jayne is making, and I believe it is a valid one.
If you have been in everyone's living rooms for about three months and you don't get the Christmas Number One, then something has gone wrong somewhere.
But will people come and see you in March 2017, and pay for your show, when all the hype has died down, and it's not free and beamed into your home so you don't have to make any effort?
Yes, there are 'winners' in terms of commercial success, but bands like One Direction are simply the figureheads for a massive writing, production and management organisation - they have little if any creative input into what they do.
Add to that, the simple fact that record sales do not equate with talent and musicianship - if they did, then Westlife are superior to Leonard Cohen.
Mass appeal is what it is, and it has a place in music, as it has since the 1960's - but mass appeal is not commensurate with artistry and talent, and that I think it the point that Jayne is making, and I believe it is a valid one.
// look at JLS //
I did ... once.
I saw them at the Capital Radio Summertime Ball ... where they lip-synched to a few of their "hits" (in contrast with other acts, like J-Lo, who sang live).
I thought ... Oh my god, is this what "live" music has come to? Sitting watching teenage boys, at the far end of a big stadium, miming to a CD?
I did ... once.
I saw them at the Capital Radio Summertime Ball ... where they lip-synched to a few of their "hits" (in contrast with other acts, like J-Lo, who sang live).
I thought ... Oh my god, is this what "live" music has come to? Sitting watching teenage boys, at the far end of a big stadium, miming to a CD?
joggerjayne - //// look at JLS //
I did ... once.
I saw them at the Capital Radio Summertime Ball ... where they lip-synched to a few of their "hits" (in contrast with other acts, like J-Lo, who sang live).
I thought ... Oh my god, is this what "live" music has come to? Sitting watching teenage boys, at the far end of a big stadium, miming to a CD? //
To be fair, music purists like yourself, and indeed myself, are a minority and this type of performance is what sells and sells big.
I would not pay to see something like this, but for millions of pop fans, this is all they require - to see their idols, and hear the hits, the finer points of how these are conveyed to them do not matter in the slightest.
Bands like this clean up the maximum profit because they are around for a limited time. The pop market is voracious, and another 'big thing' will be along in a minute.
For you and I, fortunately, there is a vast number of bands and musicians who can and do play and sing properly, so the two formats can co-exist side by side and don't need to bother each other.
I did ... once.
I saw them at the Capital Radio Summertime Ball ... where they lip-synched to a few of their "hits" (in contrast with other acts, like J-Lo, who sang live).
I thought ... Oh my god, is this what "live" music has come to? Sitting watching teenage boys, at the far end of a big stadium, miming to a CD? //
To be fair, music purists like yourself, and indeed myself, are a minority and this type of performance is what sells and sells big.
I would not pay to see something like this, but for millions of pop fans, this is all they require - to see their idols, and hear the hits, the finer points of how these are conveyed to them do not matter in the slightest.
Bands like this clean up the maximum profit because they are around for a limited time. The pop market is voracious, and another 'big thing' will be along in a minute.
For you and I, fortunately, there is a vast number of bands and musicians who can and do play and sing properly, so the two formats can co-exist side by side and don't need to bother each other.
Of course forgot about One Direction! I understand about the perceived distinction between mass appeal and and artistry but that's very subjective. i find Take That (well Gary Barlow really) and Westlife far more talented than Leonard Cohen - don't understand his ability at all. He wrote poetic lyrics and put them to the same drawling music with the same drawling voice just like Morrissey who is appreciated by his fans in the same way.
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