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Were You Caught Out By The Great Car Con? See Dispatches Tonight?

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ToraToraTora | 22:32 Mon 26th Jan 2015 | Motoring
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11368568/Labour-made-wrong-decision-over-diesel-car-tax-admits-shadow-minister.html
It is refreshing to see an ex minister admiting they got it wrong. The idea that diesel is in any way cleaner is fanciful. Lets get back to how it was eh? trucks and tractors. There is no need for private cars to be diesel.
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I've got a diesel car but it wasn't bought for that reason.
Senior Conservatives are understood to be lobbying the Government to increase road taxes on diesel vehicles to bring them into line with petrol, although ministers have ruled out such a move in this parliament.


Ah well, another good reason not to vote Tory.
I already pay loads of road tax, I'd be better off if they added the cost of road tax to the price of diesel as I hardly use the car.
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so you are happy putting out 22 times more particulates and 40 times more NO2 then?
From January 2015 only diesel engines that conform to EURO6 have been allowed to be sold. The gas coming out of the exhaust pipe of a EURO6 engine is cleaner than the air going into the air-intake.
NOX emission from a EURO6 is too low to be measured due to the particulate filter which can not be removed or tampered with.
That artical is pre EURO6 !
I'm happy that I've got a car I can get the kids into. It's used a handful of times a month. I have no idea what particulates or NO2 are nor do I care. It's never failed an emissions test so I presume it's ok (within your definition of ok).
I bought my first diesel car in 1988, recommended by the Tory party as the way forward in motoring. Still driving a vdiesel.
I have a EURO6 diesel , cleanest vehicle on the road apart from a solar power electric car
http://www.rac.co.uk/community/blog/rac-blog/january-2012/euro-6-and-diesel-vehicles
From September 2015 all diesels made in the last 5 years have to comply with EURO6.
Instead of dragging 70's drivel into this why not explore the fact that I now pay less road tax than my wife, I drive a Diesel she drives a petrol car.....

Why is this, simple, diesel engines are becoming as clean as if not cleaner than petrol engine cars. It's why for a number of years the Le Mans 24hr race the pinnacle of motorsport outside F1 specced diesel cars because they are fundamentally more efficient and economic.
Lastly... I can fill my car up, 50 litres and i'll do 500-600 miles in that car, on 50 litres her car will maybe do 350... which is more efficient TTT, you tell me??
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Bit of an urban myth about the car "scrubbing the air" with Euro6 sherrard: http://www.rac.co.uk/community/blog/rac-blog/january-2012/euro-6-and-diesel-vehicles
it says here that nox is cut by 50% so that means it's still 20 times more than a petrol engine.
That was eddie51, I've still no idea what you're going on about (apart from diesel = bad).
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My wife owns a Skoda Fabia Greenline Estate.Diesel. Because of the negligeable emissions the vehicle exudes she pays no road tax and the vehicle is exempt from congestion charging in London.In my career and my private ownership of hundreds of different marques of vehicles I have driven I have never come across a vehicle with such phenomenol fuel economy as hers. I believe no petrol vehicle could beat it unless a hybrid type was used. I drove her car fully laden to Scotland twice last year and the economy was astonishing. Now if the government vastly reduced the price of tax paid in unleaded petrol then there may be some merit in favouring petrol vehicles.I believe traffic calming measures play a large part in increased pollution by vehicles,in general, but see no moves for the present government to remove these off the road. All ICE engines knock out pollution and I am not totally convinced that diesels are the sole culprit.
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sorry slapshot unless all the articles and dispatches are lying that is c0bbl3rs.
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retro/slapshot etc they refer to CO2 emmisssions only. Yes they are lower. Sadly that is not true for particulates and nox, the dangerous stuff.
The quantity of particulates and NO2 is not the issue here. It is a good aim to reduce pollution regardless, anyway, and transport is a necessity. What needs to be done is to avoid the sadistic temptation not to try to make decent folk feel guilty for trying to do the right thing, nor to use the issue as an excuse to persecute those with diesels and demand more of their money simply because one has the power to abuse them. The correct path is to continue to encourage manufacturers, designers, inventors, to improve what we use today into something better tomorrow, and then let natural obsolesce do the rest.

In the meantime those worried about being in a high pollution area already have the answer. They have an incentive to move out to a cleaner area until things improve naturally.

Meanwhile the programme suggested that since the push to get people to use diesel for preference was to improve a CO2 problem, going back to petrol will exasperate that; so no one at this time seems to have an ideal solution.

Pointing out where petrol scores over diesel doesn't help matters. It's merely gloating, and likely to start slanging matches as someone else starts pointing out where the diesel scores.
Why are DP filters fitted to my diesel Nissan? I also have to pay 3 times the price for normal engine oil because of the DPF. I have no feelings of guilt about driving my diesel vehicle any more than a lot of petrol powered motors.
Well if they are coming from your lot that a dead cert!!

Simple chemistry TTT, when you burn 5 ml of petrol around 35% of the available energy from the fuel is efficiently used however you need to add an igniter to it ie a spark and much of the energy is lost. A diesel engine conversely around 75-80% of the available energy in that 5ml is used efficiently and you don't need to supply energy too it, just compression, the diesel ignites under pressure. So which fuel do you want o use, the one that's 35% efficient or the 75-80% efficient fuel..... you tell me...

PS that's 6th year organic chemistry fact, not political spin, *** and claptrap
Lets all drive mobility scooters
TTT 50% is the minimum cut in NOX, most achieve over 90% cut.
Engines with AdBLUE technology emit ZERO NOX , it is totally eliminated.
Most of this 'dirty diesel' rubbish was started by The Suns new editor who is a keen 'city cyclist ' and a misquote by Boris Johnston.
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OG:"The quantity of particulates and NO2 is not the issue here" - yes they are exactly the issue, that's the con I refer to in the title.

Retrocop:"Why are DP filters fitted to my diesel Nissan? " - because without them they'd be hundreds of times worse.

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