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42 Days: Will it be stopped?

Remember the 42-Day extension being passed by the Commons back in June? Its upoming vote in the Lords serves as an interesting reminder of how quickly politics can change.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7666022 .stm

The Lords - as they did with the foxhunting ban - are able to delay bills for considerably periods of time via 'ping-pong' (suggesting little amendments etc.) - if push comes to shove they can suspend it for 2 years - which in this case will likely kill the bill considering Labour will most likely be out of power in 2 years' time. That is, assuming the Conservatives don't pursue it.

What do you think? With Labour now on the ropes, do you think the Lords are likely to shoot it down?

Kromovaracun Mon 13/10/08 08:51

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jake-the-peg
Mon 13/10/08
09:01

A month ago I'd have said that it would be very unlikely that the Government would use the Parliament act to push this through but Brown's a lot stronger in his party now so I wouldn't rule it out. - In fact he might gain authority by doing so.

I don't think the Tories could vote against it now and then try and bring it in in two years (assuming they win the election- again not quite as certain as it was a month ago considering their disasterous display during the financial crisis)

Even for them that would be too hypocritical.

What is the Tory position by the way? Do they think it unnecessary? or are they finding a belated attachment to human rights?

Gromit
Mon 13/10/08
10:06

The Lords will vote against 42 days.

No one seems to want detention extended to 42 days, not even the Security Services. The Government have painted themselves into a corner on this. They do not want to lose a vote because it will make them look weak, yet they could not easily drop it because that too would make them look in disarray.

The Financial Crisis could come to Browns help (Yet again). The Lords will vote against it, and the Government could say they will reluctantly not pursue it any further because they have more pressing matters to deal with.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml? xml=/opinion/2008/10/12/do1205.xml

legend.isgod
Mon 13/10/08
10:09

Bring it in .

In spain you can be held without charge for up to 2 years on remand and then possibly another 2 years if re2uested from a judge.

If you really want to lock up terrorists and extremists do it .
Otherwise give in to them .

jake-the-peg
Mon 13/10/08
10:17

Yes legend only the Government and Police have a real nasty habit of using terorist legislation where there are no terrorists involved

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question63 7869.html

is only the latest example.

You sound like one of those people who wants extreme actions taken because he believes he will never suffer personally under them.

I'm pretty sure that should you find yourself detained for being at the wrong place at the wrong time - you'd pretty soon be bleating like a nanny goat about civil rights

Gromit
Mon 13/10/08
23:18

As predicted above, Government Bill defeated by the Lords and the Government has reluctantly decided not to pursue it any further.

Oneeyedvic
Tue 14/10/08
07:36

Yes Legend, and that really helped with the Madrid Train Bombs didn't it

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