Here's hoping for an accidental death verdict!
Why is the hearing due to take three months?
flip_flop Tue 30/09/08 08:53
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I point my gun at you, I know it's loaded, I pull the trigger, a bullet comes out, it hits you, you die.
Some accident.
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Because they want the verdict to come from people in full possession of the evidence, rather than those who glance at a newspaper and then churn out snap judgements on internet message boards.
Crazy, I know.
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Someone has to take the blame for this death and be punished accordingly - otherwise their is no justice.
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If the British hadn't invaded India, 21/7 would never have happened so it's definitely Britain's fault.
What... you think that's all a bit remote? You mean the people who actually do something should take the responsibility for it?
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So if it's not murder, it's an accident?
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no need for insults, admarlow. I repeat my first post: if I point a gun at you and pull the trigger, where's the accident? You think I should get off by saying 'The terrorists made me do it'?
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If this was an accident, then we all ought to be aware that at any time at any place we could be shot and killed by the police and that it would be totally OK because it was a case of mistaken identity and we live in a time of terrorism. It was not 'murder' but neither was it an accident.
' would prefer 20 'de Menezes' to one 7/7'. Even if this were to happen to a member of your family admarlow?
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Neither Adam Marlow. What I am saying is that if this were a member of your family I think you wouldn't have the same attitude. It was a totally bodged police operation. Someone has to take responsibility for this and receive some sort of punishment (not for murder), and at the very least lose their job.
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I've been following this case too & feel so desparately sorry for Menezes & his family.
If the police were that close to him & there was the slightest element of doubt, why couldn't they have used a stun gun or taser, instead of shooting him dead?
Why?
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Murder is a big word
There's no way this was murder.
It may have been manslaughter - was there incompetence?
There was certainly a botched attempt at a cover up - Stories about padded jackets and jumping the barrier.
Somebody still needs to take accountability for that.
We can't have a Police force that thinks it's in the Public Interest to lie to the Public
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BUT - they had the wrong man admarlow!
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admarlow
Not quite.
He lived in the same block of flats as the suspect. Not with him. Where on earth did you get that one from???
He absolutely wasn't wearing a big padded jacket of any kind. Didn't you see the pictures of the body? It was a light denim jacket.
Really, it doesn't help to repeat these lies.
What we need to know from this inquest is not so much where the blame lies, but how it can be prevented from happening again. What improvements are needed in ground communication, and do we need to see a change in the way that shoot to kill operations are managed.
I don't see how the officers on the ground can be held accountable for failures further up the chain of command.
But to say, "Ah it's just an accident, never mind eh" is a bit short-sighted.
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Ad,
If I was an oficer and I believed he was going to detonate a bomb - I'd shoot.
But I'd then wonder what what led me to believe he was going to blow up the train. What went wrong? What almighty f*ck-up - on my part or someone else's - had convinced me to pull the trigger?
Rather than shunning any questions, shrugging and putting it down to a simple accident. "Hey ho."
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If I was one of those officers under a directive from my boss, then I would probably do the same. The fact still remains that I would have done wrong and expect an enquiry and that it wouldn't have been an 'accident'. They had followed the wrong man from his home and had a plan which went completely wrong. They thought this man 'might' be going to blow up a train and when he ran from them 'in fright' they shot him dead - 7 times in the head at point blank range!! Someone has to carry the can for all this - the person in charge of the operation.
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I doubt think that many of us are in doubt 'why' JCdM was shot. However, the ****-up in the information trail must be laid at someones door.
The armed police who shot JCdM ought to have been able to use their own eyes and make a rational decision as to whether he had a bomb about his person...................especially given the nature of the bombs which had been favoured, i.e rucksacks and not belt/jacket bombs. JCdM could have been isolated and placed in a position where he would have been unable to detonate any device...............unfortunately he was shot first and then the questions were asked..........
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That's my point monkey.
As I said earlier, if they'd have used a stun gun or tasor, he may not have been able to have detonated this imaginary bomb & would be alive today.
However, one of the senior officers in charge on that day, has since been promoted....
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Mmmm - but he didn'e have one did he?!
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*didn't
Sounded Scottish there!
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Question Author
Well I for one am pleased that we have people on the ground who are ready to take this course of action if needs be.
Can you imagine the furore if they had followed this guy and had not done anything about him and he had blown apart the tube train?
The very same people on this thread who are calling for heads to roll because he was shot, would be calling for heads to roll because he was not shot.
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