Us Notifies Un Of Paris Climate Deal Pullout

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40829987

Trump would appear to be a climate-change denier !

Would any of Trump's dwindling band of groupies, here on AB, like to comment ?

[Old_Geezer]

He's hardly likely to feel able to back down by this stage, having criticised it and promised American jobs and economy in preference to a livable world. But just because he wants out of the agreement it doesn't mean America won't do anything, there'll be many that realise they still need to make efforts outside of the agreement. It remains to be seen what exactly.

[mikey4444]

It doesn't look promising though, does it OG ?

But if, as is becoming more obvious each day, Trump doesn't complete his term in office, then there be plenty of time for his successor to right this wrong.

[naomi24]

//Trump would appear to be a climate-change denier !//

Where did you get that from? Something out of your own head again? According to your link //He [Trump] said the deal "punished" the US and would cost millions of American jobs….In June, Mr Trump indicated he was open to another climate deal "on terms that are fair to the United States".//

[mikey4444]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/donald-trump-climate-change-skeptic-denial/510359/

[naomi24]

As publications go I’ve no idea how respected – or biased - ‘The Atlantic’ is, but according to the BBC Mr Trump has said he is open to another climate deal. What a dilemma! The first says what it suits your purpose to hear; the second the infallible BBC, what you really don't want to hear. Gosh! Who to believe?

[Kromovaracun]

Trump has asserted that it is a hoax in public, on his own twitter feed and elsewhere, multiple times.

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-global-warming-hoax/

Trump "says he is open to a climate deal"? Well, he says lots of things. The man is a liar.

[Zacs-Master]

From the horses mouth, via his favourite medium:
'The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.'

[Kromovaracun]

And The Atlantic is plenty respected. Not that it should matter if it backs up its claims with strong enough evidence.

[naomi24]

And they're off! ;o)

[Zacs-Master]

I think you're part of the 'they' here Naomi. What do you say to Trumps tweets?

More here:
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-global-warming-hoax/

[naomi24]

Zacs, I too have my doubts. At the very least, the whole climate change thing is a big money spinner.

[Old_Geezer]

Trump will say anything to stir up his supporters and give them what they want to hear. Best noting what he does (or allowed to do) rather than what he says.

[Zacs-Master]

I believe industry and the science research community (and sometimes a combination of both) manipulate the 'statistics' to their own ends, but to say it's an invention of the Chinese is another insight into Trump's warped mentality.

[naomi24]

Zacs, He does say some odd things, but the fact is nothing he says sits well with the many who are permanently slavering ready to stick the knife in. However, in this instance his concern appears to be for the well-being of the US economy. I can’t condemn him for that.

[Zacs-Master]

You could get a job on his 'communication' team with spin like that, Naomi.

[jim360]

"Where do you get the idea that Trump is a climate change denier?"

"From all his tweets where he denied climate change and called it a hoax."

"Oh yeah, haha, the man's a card isn't he?!"

[naomi24]

Zacs, according to Mikey’s BBC link, that is Trump’s concern. How is what I’ve said ‘spin’?

[naomi24]

Jim, yes .... we know. It's already been said.

[jim360]

It's not the first time people have made a point about Trump, you've raised doubts that he ever said what it was said he said, and then it turns out that he actually did say it -- and you never seem to own up to the increasingly obvious fact that you don't really know a lot about what Trump has actually said or what he stands for. At some point, it might be worth reading into a few of his quotes for yourself.

As for the "spin" -- the Paris Agreement technically doesn't have to cost the US anything, because it's not exactly a binding document anyway. To be specific, there is no formal "punishment" for not complying with the agreement.

It's also a bit of "spin" to send this notification now, because the agreement doesn't come into force for another two years and it takes one year to withdraw. So if he's sending it now it's to try and grab back positive headlines to appease his base support.

I'm not sure on the claim that the agreement would lead to "millions" of job losses, but so far as I can see Trump hasn't been clear on why he thinks that or where his figures come from either.

[naomi24]

Jim, I read what he says, but he didn't say what Mikey claims he said in the link he provided. Carry on slavering.