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Is The Defining Characteristic Of The Referendum Young Vs. Old, Rather Then Right Vs. Left.
Interesting article, albeit it a bit fraught.
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I never thought about the impact this might have on families...has anyone else experienced these ructions?
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I never thought about the impact this might have on families...has anyone else experienced these ructions?
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Ill check your link out when I have got my coffee; but meanwhile, inter-generation disagreements are fairly common within families. And I believe there are a greater proportion of idealistic individuals in the 'younger' category than in the 'older' category, who have come to realise things aren't as simple as 'go for what looks good and hope there are no issues/drawbacks one is not seeing/accepting'. One could expect the disagreement, one is surprised by the apparent extreme of this 'ruined my life' viewpoint. (But there again I've never had teenage children.)
yes, I think there is a huge divide. Essentially the young have been brainwashed to hate Britain and love the EU by a generation of lefty teachers, so not surprising this is a shock to the poor dears. We have something of a division in my own family, we didn't discuss it much but I could tell that my kids were remainiacs, still one of them cheered up when I paid a bag of sand for his air fair on his next trip to the US. The other one said it's alright for me because I'm well off enough! "How do you think that happened?" - I said, despite the EU not because of it. To be fair we don't mention it now!
Obviously, with no kids, I've not experienced these ructions but to comment on the article:
"I’m worried Brexit has made me ageist,"
The individual was either already ageist or wasn't beforehand. A disagreeable may have made that clear.
Surely that should say "reported that 75% of 18- to 24-year-olds and 56% of 25- to 49-year-olds WHO VOTED voted in favour of remain" ? And I note that the older group have already lost 19% compared to the younger, and are almost 50:50 like the overall ratio.
Showing anger is unacceptable. One needs to realise one doesn't always get one's own way.
Trying to suggest someone who voted aginst your view has selfishly voted against your interests, as opposed to against your desires, speaks volumes.
"As much as I love my parents, this referendum has made me see them in a different light – people who are unwilling to listen to the opinions of others and disrespectful of those with legitimate concerns about what their opinion could lead to.”
Perhaps like parents, like daughter ?
“I had pointed out that sharing EDL, Britain First and BNP posts online [means] people will assume you share those views and are likely to call you a racist, homophobe and a sexist.”
Only idiots whose opinion you don't value, would. One ought not be easily swayed to vote against what you believe to be right, by the irrelevant.
"It seemed to be a vote for nostalgia."
Appearances can be deceptive. Especially when they are your way to explain what you have yet to understand. It was a vote to bring back that which was right in the past, and had been lost, not bring if back for sentimental reasons.
“Now, because of petty quibbles with EU practice, my parents have voted away my right to live and work in nearly 30 countries,”
Of course they haven't. One should learn the facts before deciding how to vote. People were not prevented from working and living abroad before we were trapped in the EU, they won't be again afterwards either.
"I don’t want their toxic, pathetic little country, it is not mine. If I had anywhere else to go I would burn my passport.”
Any time; but get over yourself first before making another decision.
"“I’m ashamed of my own mother,” says Jamie. “It’s a horrible feeling. I’m incredibly angry that she didn’t consider the future of her young children who are just starting out in the world."
Did did consider them which is why she voted as she did. Instead of being ashamed of those who voted for your benefit try understanding them and the reasons it was the right choice.
"driven by her hate for foreigners, rather than love for her own children"
That is a shameful accusation to hold or believe, let alone stating it publicly.
"She’s saddled with £9,000-a-year tuition fees she didn’t have any say about"
Need to ask the politicians about stopping the grants, and pulling the drawbridge up after them.
"she voted for Thatcher in 79, and she forgives me"
Have you forgiven your mum ?
I'm sure the disappointed will come around eventually. They just need to rant for a bit.
"I’m worried Brexit has made me ageist,"
The individual was either already ageist or wasn't beforehand. A disagreeable may have made that clear.
Surely that should say "reported that 75% of 18- to 24-year-olds and 56% of 25- to 49-year-olds WHO VOTED voted in favour of remain" ? And I note that the older group have already lost 19% compared to the younger, and are almost 50:50 like the overall ratio.
Showing anger is unacceptable. One needs to realise one doesn't always get one's own way.
Trying to suggest someone who voted aginst your view has selfishly voted against your interests, as opposed to against your desires, speaks volumes.
"As much as I love my parents, this referendum has made me see them in a different light – people who are unwilling to listen to the opinions of others and disrespectful of those with legitimate concerns about what their opinion could lead to.”
Perhaps like parents, like daughter ?
“I had pointed out that sharing EDL, Britain First and BNP posts online [means] people will assume you share those views and are likely to call you a racist, homophobe and a sexist.”
Only idiots whose opinion you don't value, would. One ought not be easily swayed to vote against what you believe to be right, by the irrelevant.
"It seemed to be a vote for nostalgia."
Appearances can be deceptive. Especially when they are your way to explain what you have yet to understand. It was a vote to bring back that which was right in the past, and had been lost, not bring if back for sentimental reasons.
“Now, because of petty quibbles with EU practice, my parents have voted away my right to live and work in nearly 30 countries,”
Of course they haven't. One should learn the facts before deciding how to vote. People were not prevented from working and living abroad before we were trapped in the EU, they won't be again afterwards either.
"I don’t want their toxic, pathetic little country, it is not mine. If I had anywhere else to go I would burn my passport.”
Any time; but get over yourself first before making another decision.
"“I’m ashamed of my own mother,” says Jamie. “It’s a horrible feeling. I’m incredibly angry that she didn’t consider the future of her young children who are just starting out in the world."
Did did consider them which is why she voted as she did. Instead of being ashamed of those who voted for your benefit try understanding them and the reasons it was the right choice.
"driven by her hate for foreigners, rather than love for her own children"
That is a shameful accusation to hold or believe, let alone stating it publicly.
"She’s saddled with £9,000-a-year tuition fees she didn’t have any say about"
Need to ask the politicians about stopping the grants, and pulling the drawbridge up after them.
"she voted for Thatcher in 79, and she forgives me"
Have you forgiven your mum ?
I'm sure the disappointed will come around eventually. They just need to rant for a bit.
Forming another's opinions are more subtle than telling them this or that is right; which would be likely to be rebelled against. It is creating an environment which pushes one point of view without it being obvious.
I don't have experience of schools today but the overwhelming view of the younger generation that we are all Europeans and one's nationality/country doesn't much matter, suggests this view formation may well be going on.
What else would account for wanting unelected elites from other nations dictating what laws we have ? How else would they have no sense of value of the people having a say at the election booth (yet ironically, at the same time, be prepared to vote against democracy in the referendum) ?
I don't have experience of schools today but the overwhelming view of the younger generation that we are all Europeans and one's nationality/country doesn't much matter, suggests this view formation may well be going on.
What else would account for wanting unelected elites from other nations dictating what laws we have ? How else would they have no sense of value of the people having a say at the election booth (yet ironically, at the same time, be prepared to vote against democracy in the referendum) ?
I don't think it is particularly left wing. I think it is erroneous new founded views that are inapplicable at this time of differing nations/cultures/beliefs. Like as not from younger idealistic teachers.
When we all feel that we are one country instead of dreaming that is so, then there may be an argument for a world with just one country in it and we are all in it together with the same laws/taxes/rates of pay/etc./etc./etc. but not until.
When we all feel that we are one country instead of dreaming that is so, then there may be an argument for a world with just one country in it and we are all in it together with the same laws/taxes/rates of pay/etc./etc./etc. but not until.
In our case young or old, left or right did not come into it.
Apart from the inevitable turmoil due to nobody having a clue about how an exit would proceed (now resulting in financial chaos) there was a more important consideration.
My partner is a medical doctor specialising in a field of growing worry: infectious diseases. She works and meets with doctors from European and other foreign countries. There was already unease from these doctors about how an exit would affect them and their research.
To quote the editor of the BMJ before the referendum - 'No prominent national medical, research, or health organisation has sided with Brexit.'
My partner's disquiet is that while medical people in EU countries will probably want to continue to share research with those in the UK, will the governments of those countries take a hard line over our leaving the EU and prevent this.
Unfortunately, infectious diseases do not recognise borders.
Apart from the inevitable turmoil due to nobody having a clue about how an exit would proceed (now resulting in financial chaos) there was a more important consideration.
My partner is a medical doctor specialising in a field of growing worry: infectious diseases. She works and meets with doctors from European and other foreign countries. There was already unease from these doctors about how an exit would affect them and their research.
To quote the editor of the BMJ before the referendum - 'No prominent national medical, research, or health organisation has sided with Brexit.'
My partner's disquiet is that while medical people in EU countries will probably want to continue to share research with those in the UK, will the governments of those countries take a hard line over our leaving the EU and prevent this.
Unfortunately, infectious diseases do not recognise borders.
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