Independent Opinions

[Bazile]

With the Europhiles and Eurosceptics putting forward their argument and counter argument as to the reasons for exiting and remaining in the EU ; is there any where where i can point someone to in order to obtain truly independent opinion as to what will happen either way , in terms of trading / financial markets / laws etc ?

[jim360]

Yeah, good luck with that...

Not least because any time some group offers an apparently unbiased pro- or anti-EU opinion, those holding the opposite view tend to find some way it can be framed as coming from a pro- or anti-EU source (eg yesterday's letter in support of EU membership from businesses was quickly identified as coming from vested interests).

I don't think an unbiased source exists or could even provide anything useful anyway. An EU exit is likely to be a messy and lengthy process, but it is presumably in both the UK's and the rest of the EU's interest to try not to drawn it out any longer than strictly necessary; both sides, too, would presumably benefit from not reacting to an Out vote by throwing some sort of diplomatic temper tantrum. But exactly how that is going to play out is not really going to be known unless we have to go through that process in reality.

There are certainly plausible best- and worst-case scenarios out there in terms of what follows an "out" vote. What follows a vote to stay in the EU is presumably easier to work out: things carry on as they are now, the only difference being in the interpretation of what that means (ie useful benefits in areas where collaboration is well-established and beneficial, or the horrors of watching this country slowly become a satellite state of the Brussels dictatorship.)

[Peter Pedant]

yeah - good point
I have commented on this elsewhere

you have to ask a 'dont know' .....

Sky I think has been very keen on saying to a europhile - o you re no independent so you gonna say yes - and I concluded that she would have for reasons of balance to say the same thing to a europhobe

odd - havent seen it before
England has always had an adversarial system
you dont say to a prosecution lawyer - O you're gonna say he is guilty but you would wouldnt you

It is only the mapoleonic code which has a much more inquisitorial system ( to find out what happened rather than who can I screw over this ).
and Napoleon was a froggie - o mi god Bazeel - creeping eurocentricism !

[whiskeryron]

// and Napoleon was a froggie - o mi god Bazeel - creeping eurocentricism !//

Like I keep saying, the Froggies tried to beat us & the Krauts tried to beat us & in the end they got their little heads together with a a plan that worked.
'' let us invite the Brits to join a common market & then we can craftily rule them together''.

[bazwillrun]

youll be accused of ranting you keep that up whiskey !....

im sure our stock exchange will have some interesting views to impart before the takeover, sorry merger with frankfurt goes through...

if anybody actually bothered to read some of the details of the "merger" they will see that frankfurt will hold a majority stake...like i said in that post, the eussr must be rubbing their hands with glee...selling england by the pound..literally, or in this case selling england down the road by the pound !...

[Peter Pedant]

// '' let us invite the Brits to join a common market & then we can craftily rule them together''. //

I love it when the olds on the site can recall historical events that they witnessed

so 1962's Gen de Gaulle;s Non !
was in fact a 'come and join us'

interesting and radical - history is already being rewritten

[jim360]

Ah, yes, France and Germany, the oldest of allies, with a history of camaraderie that goes back literally years (if that)...

[Bazile]

jim360

You may be right - afterall it's not like a question as to whether the moon is made of cheese or not.

This is graphically illustrated by Michael Gove comments earlier today


Against
//Justice Secretary Michael Gove has challenged David Cameron's claim his renegotiation deal with EU leaders over the UK's membership is legally binding

Mr Gove, one of five cabinet ministers calling for the UK to quit the EU, told the BBC the European Court of Justice could throw out some of the changes//

for

//But attorney general Jeremy Wright said the deal was "irreversible".
He said that was not only his opinion, but also the view of the government's lawyers and European lawyers//

take your pick

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35646004

[ToraToraTora]

There is no such thing as an unbiased view, on more or less anything but this sort of thing, no way. The problem here is also that no one really knows and that goes for both sides so really it's a competition to try and predict bad things for the other side.