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Dave Kicks The Heathrow Can A Little Further Down The Road...again.
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In October 2009, before he became Prime Minister David Cameron said the third runway at Heathrow is not going ahead, no ifs, no buts"
Perhaps he is waiting to make a decision until after he has resigned as Prime Minister, before the next Election.
In October 2009, before he became Prime Minister David Cameron said the third runway at Heathrow is not going ahead, no ifs, no buts"
Perhaps he is waiting to make a decision until after he has resigned as Prime Minister, before the next Election.
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The UK needs a new runway at either Heathrow or Gatwick. It needs it urgently as both those airports are running close to capacity and their competitiven
20:14 Mon 07th Dec 2015
there are objectors to all the proposals, TTT, so someone is going to be overridden. So it's a tough call for any PM... well, tough calls are what he's paid to make. Businesses are tearing their hair over this one, desperate to see some ceertainty over transport links (whichever way) and Cameron keeps fudging and bluffing. Just do it, Dave.
TTT...I am not a particular supporter of any of the options, but its plain that the London area badly needs more runway capability. The business case seems to be for a 3rd runway at Heathrow, but I will leave it to others to decide.
dave has made it plain that he does not support the Heathrow option, and he appears to be trying to put any decision off until it can't do him any harm.
The authorities have been bitching on about where the extra capacity is going to be for what seems like a generation....perhaps its about time a decision was made.
dave has made it plain that he does not support the Heathrow option, and he appears to be trying to put any decision off until it can't do him any harm.
The authorities have been bitching on about where the extra capacity is going to be for what seems like a generation....perhaps its about time a decision was made.
The argument against Gatwick ( as I understand it ) is that business doesn't want it there....how could you change planes at two airports so far from each other ? By coach along the M25 ?
I flew to Boston via Schiphol 6 years ago, my first experience at the Dutch airport and I must say that I was very impressed. Unless Britain pulls its finger out and actually does something, places like Schiphol are going to overtake us.
I flew to Boston via Schiphol 6 years ago, my first experience at the Dutch airport and I must say that I was very impressed. Unless Britain pulls its finger out and actually does something, places like Schiphol are going to overtake us.
The UK needs a new runway at either Heathrow or Gatwick. It needs it urgently as both those airports are running close to capacity and their competitiveness as “hubs” will be diminished.
All of the enquiries (which have been ongoing for more than 25 years) are complete. The best strategy is for an extra runway at Gatwick (where there is adequate room which does not exist at Heathrow) accompanied by an 18 mile underground shuttle between the two airports (making an interchange possible in about 15 minutes). But in any case, whatever the decision, it needs to be made, not deferred.
MPs are elected to make decisions. They are not elected to sit on the fence, deferring decisions (and abrogating their responsibilities) until the next lot of crooks and wasters is elected. Wherever the runway is to be sited some people will be upset. The same ridiculous situation prevails with power supplies. Coal fired power stations are being closed and no adequate replacements are being provided for fear of upsetting people.
Nothing is going to change to enable a more reasoned decision to be taken next June. The only thing that will change is that the London Mayoral elections will have taken place. The economic prosperity of the country is being sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. The Prime Minister needs to man up and do the job that he was elected to do.
All of the enquiries (which have been ongoing for more than 25 years) are complete. The best strategy is for an extra runway at Gatwick (where there is adequate room which does not exist at Heathrow) accompanied by an 18 mile underground shuttle between the two airports (making an interchange possible in about 15 minutes). But in any case, whatever the decision, it needs to be made, not deferred.
MPs are elected to make decisions. They are not elected to sit on the fence, deferring decisions (and abrogating their responsibilities) until the next lot of crooks and wasters is elected. Wherever the runway is to be sited some people will be upset. The same ridiculous situation prevails with power supplies. Coal fired power stations are being closed and no adequate replacements are being provided for fear of upsetting people.
Nothing is going to change to enable a more reasoned decision to be taken next June. The only thing that will change is that the London Mayoral elections will have taken place. The economic prosperity of the country is being sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. The Prime Minister needs to man up and do the job that he was elected to do.
"When did they stop using it - I seem to remember seeing the occasional landing when I lived in the area in 1979, but memory may be wrong."
Soon after the war Heathrow had three runways in a triangular formation. In the early 1950s three more runways were added to form a “Star of David” formation incorporating three pairs of parallel runways. A triangular formation of runways meant that aircraft could take off and land no more than thirty degrees from the alignment of the wind. This was quite important in the earlier days of civil aviation as aircraft did not have the reserves of power to enable them to deal with crosswinds.
In 1970 Heathrow's two main east-west runways (now designated 09L/27R and 09R/27L) were extended to their current lengths to accommodate new large jets such as the Boeing 747. The other runways were closed to facilitate terminal expansion, except for Runway 23 (which ran roughly South-West to North-East), which remained available for crosswind landings until 2002.
These days runways at most major airports (however many they may have) tend to run in the direction of the prevailing winds. In the UK this means they usually run roughly East to West. The direction of airport runways can be gained from the large numbers painted at the end of the tarmac just before the “threshold” which is defined by the “piano keys” stripes. These numbers indicate the direction the runway faces and is the compass heading, minus the last digit. So an aircraft landing on a runway designated 27 is on a heading of 270 degrees (i.e. heading west). The opposite end of the runway is designated 09 (the numbers are always 18 apart). The letters “L” and “R” are used to differentiate the runways where two parallel runways are provided.
Soon after the war Heathrow had three runways in a triangular formation. In the early 1950s three more runways were added to form a “Star of David” formation incorporating three pairs of parallel runways. A triangular formation of runways meant that aircraft could take off and land no more than thirty degrees from the alignment of the wind. This was quite important in the earlier days of civil aviation as aircraft did not have the reserves of power to enable them to deal with crosswinds.
In 1970 Heathrow's two main east-west runways (now designated 09L/27R and 09R/27L) were extended to their current lengths to accommodate new large jets such as the Boeing 747. The other runways were closed to facilitate terminal expansion, except for Runway 23 (which ran roughly South-West to North-East), which remained available for crosswind landings until 2002.
These days runways at most major airports (however many they may have) tend to run in the direction of the prevailing winds. In the UK this means they usually run roughly East to West. The direction of airport runways can be gained from the large numbers painted at the end of the tarmac just before the “threshold” which is defined by the “piano keys” stripes. These numbers indicate the direction the runway faces and is the compass heading, minus the last digit. So an aircraft landing on a runway designated 27 is on a heading of 270 degrees (i.e. heading west). The opposite end of the runway is designated 09 (the numbers are always 18 apart). The letters “L” and “R” are used to differentiate the runways where two parallel runways are provided.
I think they ruled out Boris Island on the grounds of cost and access and possibly because it would discomfit the Tawny Pipit. The problem would be that even with some sort of dedicated railway into London, it could too easily be disrupted, leaving no good alternative. The same might be true of a Gatwick-Heathrow link - having to get there along the M25 instead would be nightmarish most of the time, most days.
I'm not sure what difference leaving it till after the mayoral election would make though: both main candidates, Tory and Labour, oppose a Heathrow extension.
I'm not sure what difference leaving it till after the mayoral election would make though: both main candidates, Tory and Labour, oppose a Heathrow extension.
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