Britains Immigation System Worked Then Why Not Now?

[gordiescotland1]

I was so sad to hear about the passing of hero Sir Nicholas Winton who rescued all those children and brought them to Britain. The immigration system seemed to be working then allowing people into the country who were in great need. but today it seems to have gone terribly wrong. Any abers want to suggest why ??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3146650/Stockbroker-Britain-s-Schindler-kept-secret-50-years-Sir-Nicholas-Winton-rescued-669-Jewish-children-Nazis-dies-106.html#comments

[Canary42]

ID Cards (I've still got mine)

[Kathyan]

Because of Labour's open door policy along with their human rights act!

[Baldric]

You're talking about less than 700 people then compared to the thousands trying to enter the UK by any means now!

[steg]

People" in great need "are still allowed into the country

[VHG]

Increased immigration to UK is due to all sorts of reasons:

* Us joining the EU, allowing potentially millions of people to come here with us unable to stop them or limit them.

* Ease of cheap travel, particularly air travel.

* Television and other media showing people in "poor" countries what it is like in "richer" countries, and increasing their desire to get there.

* Having many inner city ghettos here in the UK, making it easier for illegal immigrants to "hide" in the UK. When I was young a Black or Asian illegal immigrant would have stood out like a sore thumb, not now.

* Europe's stupid softly softly attitude to immigrants since WW2, making many European countries now full of far too many immigrants.

* The rise in criminal gangs smuggling people for money

* The channel tunnel with lorries waiting to go into the tunnel being targets for illegal immigrants.

* Our weak border controls.

* Human rights laws making it hard to get rid of people you don't want.

* Many people coming here on visas (education visas, tourist visas etc.) not going home when they are supposed to.

* Our successive weak governments not getting a grip on the problem - for example "fake" colleges who bring over students to learn but then the students never go to college and get "lost" in the system.

* Various wars and conflicts in places like Somalia, Iraq, Syria and many more, making more people flee those countries.

It is a whole multitude of things.

[New Judge]

"People" in great need "are still allowed into the country "

Yes and many more in somewhat lesser need are also allowed in.

[Old_Geezer]

We have a system in place. Genuine asylum seekers flee to the nearest safe country and are accommodated there. The problem is it isn't being adhered to. Folk don't just want out and safety, they want out to where they say.

[youngmafbog]

Seems to be pretty much summed up above.

[mikey4444]

I posted something similar to this on the Winton thread yesterday, but ....

Winton didn't have it all his own way. He couldn't persuade the US or Australia to take the kids in. These kids were not universally welcomed into Britain, by the Government or lots of British people. There was a huge amount of antisemitism in Britain then.

There are lots of children in the world today, that are faced with the same great level of danger. But what would be the reaction now, if a modern-day Winton tried to rescue them and bring them to Britain ?

[Khandro]

Baldric, a lot more than 700 Jews were rightly given sanctuary, though the plan was that it was temporary and that they would move on, however some 40,000 chose to remain in Britain and made a significant contribution to society.
http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/221

[Khandro]

P.S. Having made a significant contribution, Britain's Jews now feel under threat from radical Islamists right in the heart of Britain. Some synagogues have barbed wire round their entrances and it is very disturbing to hear the wonderful Maureen Lipman say she often feels scared and is thinking of moving to Israel.

[sevenOP]

Khandro> "Baldric, a lot more than 700 Jews were rightly given sanctuary, though the plan was that it was temporary and that they would move on, however some 40,000 chose to remain in Britain.."

Hello Khandro, could you please tell me what this "40,000" refers to ?

[Khandro]

sevenOP://could you please tell me what this "40,000" refers to ? //
It's worth reading in full the link I gave above, this is an extract;

"A third factor was that of assimilation. Foreign Jews were expected both by the government and by the Anglo-Jewish establishment to conform to the British way of life and to minimise their 'foreignness'. They were inundated with advice to avoid showing their alien nature, such as not speaking German in public. Fourthly, the refugees were landed on a temporary basis, on the understanding that they would in the future leave Britain. Whilst in reality some 40,000 remained in Britain, this had not been the government's intention. Refuge was to be for a limited time, in the hope that most would seek other countries in which to settle permanently."

[whiskeryron]

// Britains Immigation System Worked Then Why Not Now? //

Do we actually HAVE an Immigration System Now ?

[sevenOP]

Thanks Khandro. I found an other source

" Approximately 40,000 Jews from Austria and Germany were eventually allowed to settle in Britain before the War, in addition to 50,000 Jews from Italy, Poland, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England#Before_and_during_World_War_II

[Canary42]

Kathyan:"Because of Labour's open door policy ..."

It was the Tory Home Secretary Teresa May who opened the door because the queue was too long for the inadequate resources (after Coalition cuts to the Border Force) to handle.

[Baldric]

Khandro, read and if possible try and understand the Link, we are referring to Sir Nicholas Winton and the fact that
/// he saved the lives of almost 700 young Jewish children///
Please try and keep up!

[Khandro]

whiskeryron //Do we actually HAVE an Immigration System Now ?//

We have one, but I think it is like Palmerston said of the Schleswig-Holstein problem. Only three people understand it, one has died, one has gone mad and the other is me, and I've forgotten what it was about!