it's BLATANTLY not PATENTLY grrrr
Why does ITV insist upon butchering our language? First it was Jeremy Kyle on about someone being "patently ignorant" then on Emmerdale tonight it was apparently "patently obvious" - it's "blatantly"!! What is wrong with these people?!?!?!!?!?
blink_babe13 Tue 19/09/06 21:32
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i know what you mean! It drives me mad too!
The one that really gets me is when someone says they are being "pressurised" instead of being put under pressure. Even newsreaders have said it "So and so is being pressurized into resigning" etc
Aaaggghhh!!!!
Maybe the offending people should be truly pressurized so that they know the difference!
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I hate to disagree with you, but patently is correct as far as I can see .....
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She's probably blonde, bless her!.
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i hope 13 refers to your age not your birthday....
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Patently is more usually correct I'm afraid. Patently means no doubt. Blatantly means irrespective of the effect . Not quite the same thing. Although both can be used 9 times out of 10 the sayer meant patently even though they may not have said it.
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Yes it is patently obvious! Which reminds me that this dinner time I saw one of those butty vans advertising corned beef ash, which put me right off as it sounded as though it had been cremated. Now if it had said corned beef HASH...........................!!!
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I think the word you're looking for is tautology .
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goldenfield - your reasoning is not sound...
Blatant has the original meaning:
Of persons or their words: Noisy; offensively or vulgarly clamorous; bellowing
but in more recent usage:
obtrusive to the eye (rather than to the ear as in orig. senses); glaringly or defiantly conspicuous; palpably prominent or obvious
therefore "blatantly obvious" is as much a tautologism as "patently obvious" but both are being used to emphasise a point, which I would have thought is "plainly obvious" ;-)
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They are both perfectly good words! What is wrong with you?!?!?!?
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The presenters on BBC Breakfast are thr worse of all. Last week,twice in the same paragraph, we had "But there is light at the end of the rainbow".
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I am dead clever and got loads of degrees and stuff and i never use either.
Anyway, in such situations i use 'clearly'.
I would say in this instance you are clearly all wrong and i am clearly right!
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I see what goldenfield is getting at and quite agree. Something is either obvious or it isn't. It doesn't have degrees of obviousness. It's like when something is described as "fairly unique". Grrr.
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ok well here is one that is 'patently' wrong - people who say 'pacific' instead of 'specific'! hello? do you actually speak English?!
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Question Author
Ok replies lol
1) yes i am blonde :)
2) no the 13 doesnt refer to age :( sorry
3) i know what you mean about specific and pacific
*and*
4) my bad! patently just didnt sound right but i accept it probably is...back to english lessons for me i think!!
thanks for all replies tho :)
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Talking 'pacifically' to Claireyfairy - I 'wholeheartedly agree with your comment. I have heard so many people use it unstead of 'specifically', it drives me round the bend!
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I really lost it once with someoneIi ended up shouting 'it's specific! Specific, specific specific, repeat it!!!'
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The worst one I find is when people use 'learn' instead of 'teach' and 'borrow instead of 'lend' eg 'that'll learn you' and 'can you borrow me £10?'
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goldenfield - I did read your posts and took the second as a defence of "blatantly obvious" over "patently obvious".
This misunderstanding on my part was based on both tautologies being mentioned in the original question but you choosing to castigate the latter whilst appearing to ignore the former.
Apologies for my light-hearted post being cause for you to mount such a high horse.
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Well congratulations to blink_babe for facing the music of her question ! Fink it was very brave loike.
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In the context of you addressing the tautology of "patently obvious" and yet seeming to ignore the same attribute of "blatantly obvious" my view was that you had undermined your argument thus prompting my use of the phrase "not sound".
However I feel it "sensible" for me to have highlighted the level of contempt you displayed to a perceived slight by my use of "high horse".
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