Help!! Stanley & Withers

[echokilo]

Ancestor is Samuel Stanley born Walsall Q1 1916 - mother is WITHERS, siblings Alice 1912 and Ernest W 1914 ............ can anyone find the correct marriage for Stanley/Withers please? It's likely to be in Walsall, or close surroundings I believe ............. perhaps the 1911 census might help assuming they were married then. I can only find a Florence Maud Withers in 1906 in West Brom (from free bmd search) possibly with spouse of Albert Stanley ........... Are they together on the 1911? Where? and do they have children at that point? HEEEEELLLPPP! Thanks!

[dotty.]

florence maud withers married edwin goodyere in 1908 at west brom

[dotty.]

actually there is a marriage for a florence maud withers and albert stanley in 1906 at west brom too, wonder why they're not apparent on the 1911?

[craft1948]

Unless you know either of the parent's christian names I think you need Samuel's birth certificate.
For instance when his parents married his mother may have been a widow so the name on the marriage registration will be other than Withers.

[dotty.]

florence was born in oldbury in 1888 and married at christ church walsall in 1906 her parents were joseph and emily withers nee higgs, maybe i can find her on the 1901 now

[dotty.]

Name: Florence M Withers
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Withers
Mother's Name: Emily Withers
Gender: Female
Where born: Oldbury, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Oldbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Oldbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 199
Piece: 2716
Folio: 161
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Withers 49
Emily Withers 46
Fred Withers 17
Florence M Withers 13
John W Withers 10
Walter Withers

[craft1948]

Dotty echokilo is only assuming that the mother is the Florence Maud Withers she found in free BMD.

[dotty.]

can't find the couple on the 1911 with or without children, but did spot this, it is a possibility.
1911 England Census 1911 England Census
Name: Albert Stanley
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birth Place: Evesham, Worcestershire, England
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Soldier
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: India
Piece: 34981
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Stanley 29

[dotty.]

hi craft, it's the only stanley/withers marriage prior to 1912, when sister alice's birth was registered under Stanley with mothers maiden name withers. could be that Albert was in the military and florence was not living with him at the time of the 1911, i've looked for her parents and siblings from the 1901 b can't get them in 1911 either.

[craft1948]

Yes but as I've said dotty, she may not have been Withers on the marriage registration..............

[dotty.]

ok albert stanley who married florence died in 1918, he was born in 1885

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
Name: Albert Stanley
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Age at Death: 32
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 693


there is a private tree on ancestry with all the info.

[echokilo]

Thanks both - we are 99% certain the maiden name was Withers (although I take your point Craft) and so the Albert Stanley and Flo M Withers must be the one ........ Dotty, the 1911 entry you quote for Albert Stanley says "India" is this a ship or where he was? Were we fighting in Indian in 1911 (excuse my ignorance) or would he just be posted there .... if he dies in 1918, how do I find if it was in WWII?

[craft1948]

3 Court 1 Wolverhampton Road Bloxwich

STANLEY, Albert Head Married M 24 1887 Coal Miner Hewer Worcestershire Rounds Green
STANLEY, Florence Maud Wife Married 4 years F 23 1888 Worcestershire Oldbury
STANLEY, Florence Maud Daughter F 3 1908 Worcestershire Bloxwich
STANLEY, Albert Son M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Worcestershire Bloxwich

[echokilo]

Thanks again to you both x

[dotty.]

well I wonder if he was killed in a pit accident? Maybe you could look at the MIs from Birmingham FHS:
or newspapers too I guess.
http://www.genuki.org...index.html#Newspapers

[echokilo]

Dotty ............ was the mention of a pit accident just a hunch?