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Will this be the great gay marriage revolt?
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/// Among the 118 is gay MP Conor Burns. He said he ‘marvels’ at why David Cameron is prioritising same-sex marriage when there is no ‘clamour’ for it in the gay community. ///
The 118 Tory MPs who are set to defy Cameron are listed here.
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/// Among the 118 is gay MP Conor Burns. He said he ‘marvels’ at why David Cameron is prioritising same-sex marriage when there is no ‘clamour’ for it in the gay community. ///
The 118 Tory MPs who are set to defy Cameron are listed here.
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It's interesting that Mr Cameron (whom I believe once briefly held the position of Prime Minister) has made this a matter of priority. However, his continued promises of "rewarding marriage" which he made both before and after the last General Election seemed to have been quietly shifted to the back burner (if they're still on the hob at all). It's possibly...
16:35 Sat 24th Nov 2012
Well the Labour and Liberals are all for it so it only needs a fraction of Tories for it to go through. The Labour has a 3 line whip. No one can understand why Cameron is bringing in this bill when there are so many other important issues. Maybe he is confused for the clamour to reward 'marriage' for hetrosexuals.
I cannot quite understand the objections that these 118 revolting MPs have.
Public opinion seems broadly in favour. A change to the law will not obligate all religious organisations to open their churches to gay marriage, but it will allow those religions who have no objection to gay marriage to carry out the ceremony. It will not change any civil rights- these are already offered via the civil partnership rules.
So, whats to object to?
Public opinion seems broadly in favour. A change to the law will not obligate all religious organisations to open their churches to gay marriage, but it will allow those religions who have no objection to gay marriage to carry out the ceremony. It will not change any civil rights- these are already offered via the civil partnership rules.
So, whats to object to?
It's interesting that Mr Cameron (whom I believe once briefly held the position of Prime Minister) has made this a matter of priority. However, his continued promises of "rewarding marriage" which he made both before and after the last General Election seemed to have been quietly shifted to the back burner (if they're still on the hob at all). It's possibly that he's petrified of rewarding some people and not others. Typical left wing Tory.
LazyGun
/// Public opinion seems broadly in favour. ///
Not quite correct according to this poll.
/// A survey by the polling organisation ComRes found that 62 per cent of voters and 68 per cent of Tory supporters believe marriage should continue to be defined as a ‘life-long exclusive commitment between a man and a woman’. ///
/// Public opinion seems broadly in favour. ///
Not quite correct according to this poll.
/// A survey by the polling organisation ComRes found that 62 per cent of voters and 68 per cent of Tory supporters believe marriage should continue to be defined as a ‘life-long exclusive commitment between a man and a woman’. ///
Though we all know that polls can be made to say whatever the conducting body wants them to say.
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Had not seen that particular poll before, but like Chuck says, polls and statistics can be used to support all sorts of divergent views :)
As far as gay marriage is concerned though, there have been a whole series of polls over the years, the trend of which seems to show that the UK population is broadly in favour of equality and same sex partnerships, (60-70%) , that total being the sum of 2 cohorts, 40% being in support of gay marriage and around 30% ish being happy with gay equality and civil partnerships.
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Had not seen that particular poll before, but like Chuck says, polls and statistics can be used to support all sorts of divergent views :)
As far as gay marriage is concerned though, there have been a whole series of polls over the years, the trend of which seems to show that the UK population is broadly in favour of equality and same sex partnerships, (60-70%) , that total being the sum of 2 cohorts, 40% being in support of gay marriage and around 30% ish being happy with gay equality and civil partnerships.
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ChuckFickens
/// The figures, based on a YouGov poll of 2,000 people, were announced in the five-yearly survey of public. ///
/// attitudes towards gay and lesbian people published by gay rights group Stonewall. ///
A YOUGOV poll of 2,000 people, published by gay rights group Stonewall. Mmmmm?
Not very convincing I'm afraid, where did they get the 2,000 people from?
/// The figures, based on a YouGov poll of 2,000 people, were announced in the five-yearly survey of public. ///
/// attitudes towards gay and lesbian people published by gay rights group Stonewall. ///
A YOUGOV poll of 2,000 people, published by gay rights group Stonewall. Mmmmm?
Not very convincing I'm afraid, where did they get the 2,000 people from?
It is important to note who has commissioned a poll, because they will be responsible for the questions asked.
Why should we consider a YouGov poll any less authorative or more biased than this most recent one reported from ComRes, AoG?
The Daily Mail article to which you link, in which this latest ComRes survey is mentioned, tells us nothing at all about who commissioned the survey, nor the number of respondents, or the nature of the respondents - At this moment, for all we know, they could have surveyed 10 catholic adults!
Why should we consider this latest survey any more credible than other social surveys on this issue?
Why should we consider a YouGov poll any less authorative or more biased than this most recent one reported from ComRes, AoG?
The Daily Mail article to which you link, in which this latest ComRes survey is mentioned, tells us nothing at all about who commissioned the survey, nor the number of respondents, or the nature of the respondents - At this moment, for all we know, they could have surveyed 10 catholic adults!
Why should we consider this latest survey any more credible than other social surveys on this issue?
It is indeed wise to be wary of poll results.
ComRes conducted a poll on behalf of the Catholic Chirch last year which came out with the astonishing statistic that the majority of gay couples did not want to get married.
However, if you looked at the question asked, it was "Do you intend to marry your current partner".
Which is not the same as, "Do you want the right to get married at some point in the future".
Very sneaky.
As for the revolt - yes, it will happen. But as has already been pointed out, with the Liberals and Labour strongly behind the bill, it will succeed.
And then in 50 years time, people will look back on some sections of our society the same way that we look back at some from the 1950s with their attitudes to mixed race marriage, and indeed how those in the 1950s looked back on those from the 1900s and their attitudes to universal emancipation.
ComRes conducted a poll on behalf of the Catholic Chirch last year which came out with the astonishing statistic that the majority of gay couples did not want to get married.
However, if you looked at the question asked, it was "Do you intend to marry your current partner".
Which is not the same as, "Do you want the right to get married at some point in the future".
Very sneaky.
As for the revolt - yes, it will happen. But as has already been pointed out, with the Liberals and Labour strongly behind the bill, it will succeed.
And then in 50 years time, people will look back on some sections of our society the same way that we look back at some from the 1950s with their attitudes to mixed race marriage, and indeed how those in the 1950s looked back on those from the 1900s and their attitudes to universal emancipation.
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I find these polls highly suspect. I havn't spoken to 2000 people but so far no one I have spoken to were in favour of ' marriage ' but some were quite happy with a civil partnership. For myself I can't understand why Cameron has got involved . I'm sure there are no votes in it , on the contrary .
What is surprising is that Labour has its support. My Labour friends
were all against it.
What is surprising is that Labour has its support. My Labour friends
were all against it.
the Stonewall poll is here. The questions listed seem reasonably straightforward
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jno I've read all the questions and I noticed they did not ask the question .
' Do you agree with a same sex marriage.? '
In fact they didn't ask that question at all .
They claim # Three in five people 'of faith ' (58 per cent)
support Government plans to extend civil marriage to same-sex couples.# but I can not find that question .
What is more the term # 'civil' marriage to same-sex couples. # would be interpretated by many as the ' civil partnership ' which already exists.
That word 'civil ' was in my opinion used to confuse the reader.
Why was the term ' of faith ' inserted ? What has faith got to do with it ?
Are only gays believers ?
' Do you agree with a same sex marriage.? '
In fact they didn't ask that question at all .
They claim # Three in five people 'of faith ' (58 per cent)
support Government plans to extend civil marriage to same-sex couples.# but I can not find that question .
What is more the term # 'civil' marriage to same-sex couples. # would be interpretated by many as the ' civil partnership ' which already exists.
That word 'civil ' was in my opinion used to confuse the reader.
Why was the term ' of faith ' inserted ? What has faith got to do with it ?
Are only gays believers ?
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